Re: [xmca] For the musicians

[Ivan Rosero <irosero@ucsd.edu>]

Hello Helen,

What a delightful "capturing" of a young child by a cultural artifact.
 Here's what I thought about as I watched this boy's performance.

I am an amateur dancer here in San Diego, and teach a beginning performance
team along with my wife.  One of our team members moves in ways similar to
this boy, except that, being 28 and not 3, he suffers more than enjoys what
is going on.  I am not a classical musician, but I would venture to say that
this young conductor blended a mastery all his own (and yet still authentic
by professional standards) with "auxiliary" movements that are more
personal/particular (including, of course, the nose picking :)  A similar
thing happens with our team member --he has mastered certain of the
locomotive requirements of the salsa routine we're currently practicing, but
seemingly inevitably, all manner of auxiliary movements that fall outside
the aesthetic of the routine come into play as well.  He tries --no, he
struggles-- visibly to subdue these movements, but it is difficult for him.
 In my role as choreographer and team-lead (as well as member of LCHC), I
feel the tension of simultaneously responding to the expectations of the
rest of the team in terms of helping them to move along and improve on more
and more facets of the routine, and my desire to focus on this one team
member to see what kinds of interaction arrangements can help him get where
he wants to go.  In his case, or rather in the dance "scene", his auxiliary
movements are internalized as deficiency and not personal/particular
accents.

Coming back to our young conductor, it seems to me (from the outside, since
classical music is not my thing) that a lot of conductors that are typically
called "geniuses" are granted that special social gift of "quirkiness" as
opposed to deficiency, because the auxiliary movements they retain in their
professional conducting are "the mark" of genius.  They, and the talented
child we're talking about here, are captured by very different social
arrangements (of which we are a constitutive part) than my quirky team
member.

I assume this has to do as much with our perezhivanie as theirs, but which
"theirs" we're talking about forces me to think about the difference between
expansive as opposed to "collapsive" development.  Does this make sense?

Ivan



On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett
<helen.grimmett@monash.edu>wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented "That's
> what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant by
> that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the
> perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we watched
> it.
> As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique
> interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be
> appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never been
> conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences and
> expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally
> interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations.
>
> Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? I'd
> love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) as
> you
> watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with music,
> young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping things,
> being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates with
> you
> and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by perezhivanie?
>
> Cheers,
> Helen
>
> On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I could
> not
> > believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in the
> > quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Helen
> >
> >
> > On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement.  Watch
> >> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but
> >> orchestrating it.  It doesn't say, but perhaps  his father is a
> conductor.
> >> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental
> >> line/critical
> >> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious.
> >>
> >> Enjoy it, it made my day.  I hope it makes yours.
> >>
> >> Carol
> >>  (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!)
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Carol's motto.
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