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Re: [xmca] Toward an Ontological Account of Learning

Thanks Martin.
I will be able to access it on my own.  However, I won't be able to
circulate it because of copywrite. If you have a copy that can be
distributed more widely, to open up a conversation that would be
I also appreciate how you articulate the practices of "evaluation in school
practices as a misguided form of "recognition" and tat the "desire" for
recognition is one of the fundamental motivations that directs us to RESPOND
to others intersubjectively.

I thought I would let you know I'm circulating your AERA article [short and
therefore possibly will actually be read] to numerous people in my school
district. I would like this topic to become a topic of professional
development in the district. [My notion of the ideal "what-if"] The topic of
learning as forming "kinds" of persons [being] is a very powerful reframe of
our taken for granted notions of learning.



On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:

> Hi Larry,
> That paper did show up in published form:
> Packer, M. J. & Goicoechea, J. (2000). Sociocultural and constructivist
> theories of learning: Ontology, not just epistemology. Educational
> Psychologist, 35, 227-241.
> If you don't have access I can send you a copy.
> Martin
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Larry Purss wrote:
> > Hi Martin
> >
> > In 1999 you presented at AERA on the topic "The Ontology of Learning"
> [which
> > is on the web if you google "Martin Packer" "Jean Lave"]
> > In the concluding section you summarize six different ontological tropes
> > that account for learning as a change of the PERSON not just a change of
> > knowledge.
> > You then mention that you and Jessie Goicheaia have explored these 6
> tropes
> > in detail in an unpublished paper.
> >
> > My question is if it is possible to get a copy of this paper.  Learning
> as a
> > change of the person [in contrast to learning as changing structures of
> > knowledge] is a perspective on learning I would like to pursue further
> [not
> > just personally but as a counsellor working in elementary public
> schools.]
> >
> > Thanks
> > Larry
> >
> > PS On another topic of the contrast of "everyday concepts" and "science
> > concepts" and schools being the institution in which to develop
> scientific
> > concepts as a perspective of learning seems to be critiqued by the notion
> of
> > learning as apprenticeship where the commonalities of learning as
> practice
> > across all settings challenges the dichotomy of scientific and everyday
> > concepts.  Have these various perspectives on learning been brought into
> > "play" on this forum?
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