Mike, So now you made me think (Oy) and remember Huw's original idea about talking about activity as experience. But I think his later posts suggests he sees activity as part of a feedback mechanism. But the definition of activity from Tolman's article suggests it is more about anticipation (perhaps a cousin of Peter's anticipation) or goal orientation - primarily forward looking, how to get happen what we want to happen. I always liked the idea of planning as sort of a way to encapsulate what actually happen in (at least the first part) of the activity. Anyway, that's how I see it all tying together. Is feedback an important part of activity, or is what the author in the Tolman article saying is that what makes human special is that they can transcend feedback through their own goal planning activities (often to our own detriment I would guess). Michael ________________________________ From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of mike cole Sent: Tue 4/19/2011 12:09 PM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: Re: [xmca] activity (was concepts) Michael-- Help me get back to the question that initiated this part of this rope/thread. Adding more names to the list is not working for me at all. If I am alone in this confusion, I apologize for taking up space. I am guessing I am not alone. mike On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu>wrote: > Phillip, > > You are right about Bateson of course. But Von Neuman, Demming, Ashby, and > most of the others who were involved in cybernetics in the second half of he > 20th century did not. Bateson was influenced in cybernetics but my > understanding was after the Macy's conferences (sorry to call it Sears, > department store dyslexia) he only said he was influenced by cybernetics. > > Michael > > ________________________________ > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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