Re: [xmca] Deb Roy: The birth of a word

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Interesting digital beams for mediational theorists to travel along, Jay.

No one has said what they learned about acquiring a productive use of a
proper "water" starting with gaa. I thought that the totally uneven, shakey,
comings and goings of bits and pieces, that finally fell into place, "the
creation of the internal plane of the word" perhaps (?), was very
interesting.
It missed a lot I wanted to know, but it also directed my questioning, and
if Roy does not go into Military of Industrial espionage, ,interesting
questions should be answerable; we saw nothing of the multiple threads of
other people and artifacts in the flow and they were crucial in lots and
lots of ways.

The visualization of the mediated interactions constituting American life
embodied in discourse in digitially mediated activity, was also pretty
amazing.

The rest is just a different face of the disasters, of such amazing variety,
that are besetting people at the moment. I wonder what the global mediated
discourse looks like?
mike

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Jay Lemke <jaylemke@umich.edu> wrote:

> Another page that may be a quicker way in to the relevant parts of this
> work is:
>
> http://lab.softwarestudies.com/
>
> JAY.
>
>
> Jay Lemke
> Senior Research Scientist
> Laboratory for Comparative Human Cognition
> University of California - San Diego
> 9500 Gilman Drive
> La Jolla, California 92093-0506
>
> Professor (Adjunct status 2009-11)
> School of Education
> University of Michigan
> Ann Arbor, MI 48109
> www.umich.edu/~jaylemke <http://www.umich.edu/%7Ejaylemke>
>
> Professor Emeritus
> City University of New York
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Jay Lemke wrote:
>
> > People interested in a related approach to media analysis using computers
> to find patterns in large video and image databases might look at the work
> of Lev Manovich, author of the Language of New Media, whose background is
> more in experimental art video, and later in communication and media theory.
> He is now at UCSD, see:
> >
> > http://manovich.net/cultural-analytics/
> >
> > under Recent Posts and the Cultural Analytics keyword heading.
> >
> > I have found his work on TV news programs, film styles, and the manga
> fascinating.
> >
> > JAY.
> >
> >
> > Jay Lemke
> > Senior Research Scientist
> > Laboratory for Comparative Human Cognition
> > University of California - San Diego
> > 9500 Gilman Drive
> > La Jolla, California 92093-0506
> >
> > Professor (Adjunct status 2009-11)
> > School of Education
> > University of Michigan
> > Ann Arbor, MI 48109
> > www.umich.edu/~jaylemke <http://www.umich.edu/%7Ejaylemke>
> >
> > Professor Emeritus
> > City University of New York
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Michael Lithgow wrote:
> >
> >> It's my first time contributing to this listserv, but if I can add to
> the
> >> wonder being expressed about how this technology might effect media
> research
> >> - I think the potential for studying how news frames emerge, transform
> over
> >> time, compete and slowly solidify into shared understandings is also
> >> exciting.  To be able to watch in something like real time the
> discursive
> >> ebb and flow of popular negotiation for hegemonic understanding is
> >> remarkable.
> >>
> >> Michael Lithgow
> >> PhD Candidate, Carleton University
> >> School of Journalism and Communication
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Jay Lemke <jaylemke@umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks, Peter. Someone also posted on this to the local LCHC group
> list,
> >>> and I replied with the following after watching the video (a TED
> >>> presentation):
> >>>
> >>> Yes, this is pretty amazing. I was reminded of the work that Lev
> Manovich
> >>> is doing here at UCSD on cultural analytics, trying to identify
> quantitative
> >>> patterns in large amounts of video and image data, such as changing
> patterns
> >>> in news programs as  to how much focus there is on the presenter vs the
> >>> content, the rise of digital content backgrounds, etc.
> >>>
> >>> But the MIT group has taken this much further, particularly in
> >>> cross-linking television content to online commentary by viewers in
> real
> >>> time. This should be the end of the Nielsen ratings, if they weren't
> gone
> >>> already, but its also potentially the end of the survey industry as
> well --
> >>> why do phone surveys of hundreds when you can get real time reactions
> from
> >>> millions. I can see the news shows commissioning this for "spin" on
> major
> >>> events, speeches, maybe the 2012 election. And this may be worrying,
> because
> >>> it has an inherent tendency, esp. at the current level of the
> technology (re
> >>> semantic analysis) to grossly over-simplify what are in fact much more
> >>> complex meanings being created.
> >>>
> >>> I am happy to see the work on context factors, social input and
> settings,
> >>> in the work on language development in the home. It's Gregory Bateson
> meets
> >>> massively parallel computing (GB did some of the first in-home filming
> of
> >>> his daughter's first years). But in relying on very simple indices,
> like
> >>> utterance length, it's again going to oversimplify. I don't think they
> can
> >>> analyze at this point just how the setting and the dialogue, over more
> than
> >>> one turn, scaffolds a sense of meaning for the child. Much easier of
> course
> >>> to trace the growth of phonology and single word acquisition. Still
> it's a
> >>> good step.
> >>>
> >>> Quite fascinating to see something Ivan and I were predicting last
> year:
> >>> people getting used to multi-video displays, where in this case you see
> >>> simultaneous video across about 6 rooms in the house in 6 video views,
> and
> >>> then all the tv/cable channels at once, dozens of small video displays
> in a
> >>> giant array. How to see this? Of course their visual magic of
> re-rendering
> >>> this into a 3D fly-through view of the whole house eliminates the
> >>> simultaneity in favor of sequentiality, and some neuroscience work
> suggests
> >>> that we are best at doing sequential pattern recognition. But even a
> >>> multi-video view can appear sequential to the brain when it is visually
> >>> scanned in real time by the eyes' movements and attention focusing.
> >>>
> >>> Every other word he says is about privacy concerns, but you still can't
> >>> disguise the Big Brother potential here: total panopticon surveillance,
> >>> video and audio, 24/7 in private as well as public settings. In the UK
> there
> >>> are already serious concerns being raised about access to the
> ubiquitous
> >>> outdoor security cam footage, massively increased in the last 10 years
> >>> everywhere in the country, as it leaks from the anti-terrorism units
> for
> >>> whose use it was originally justified to local police departments, etc.
> >>> Combining this with effective video and semantic pattern recognition
> >>> algorithms presents a real danger to privacy and freedom.
> >>>
> >>> Tis a good wind that blows no ill.
> >>>
> >>> JAY.
> >>>
> >>> Jay Lemke
> >>> Senior Research Scientist
> >>> Laboratory for Comparative Human Cognition
> >>> University of California - San Diego
> >>> 9500 Gilman Drive
> >>> La Jolla, California 92093-0506
> >>>
> >>> Professor (Adjunct status 2009-11)
> >>> School of Education
> >>> University of Michigan
> >>> Ann Arbor, MI 48109
> >>> www.umich.edu/~jaylemke <http://www.umich.edu/%7Ejaylemke> <
> http://www.umich.edu/%7Ejaylemke>
> >>>
> >>> Professor Emeritus
> >>> City University of New York
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 11, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> MIT researcher Deb Roy wanted to understand how his infant son learned
> >>> language -- so he wired up his house with videocameras to catch every
> moment
> >>> (with exceptions) of his son's life, then parsed 90,000 hours of home
> video
> >>> to watch "gaaaa" slowly turn into "water." Astonishing, data-rich
> research
> >>> with deep implications for how we learn.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ted.com/talks/deb_roy_the_birth_of_a_word.html
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> >> Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
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