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RE: [xmca] Perezhivanie from Varshav and Vygotsky
Well,
My intention was not to close polissemic semantic fields in unidimensional ones,
but the inverse way, to open to more contradictions about word meanings, even
more when we have only one word in Portuguese to translate powerful different
semiotic-conceptual devices as "perezhvanie" and "opyt"... (I dont know about you
in English)
But, as words have not only the meanings and senses that we have in our personal
social mind... I understand that my concerns e simple quentions can actually be
interpreted like a way of reductionistic approach to meaning. Therefore I apologize...
this is not my way to think. I guessed... Other conceptual, contextualized terms
discussion I have compiled and read too... and noted that just because signs have
not only one meaning, discussion can continues.
Thank you.
Achilles.
> From: mroth@uvic.ca
> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie from Varshav and Vygotsky
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:05:42 -0800
> CC: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>
> Hi all,
> I hope we will some time soon be able to move beyond the concepts of
> "meaning" and "word meaning" because they mean so little, or rather,
> even semioticians do not know what people mean by them because they
> use them in so many different ways. If you want a polysemous word, it
> is this: meaning. Problem is that nothing that comes out of the
> Saussurian line of work, including Bakhtin, makes sense when you
> translate it as meaning. ANd Heidegger uses Bedeuting, which both
> means to point (deuten) and to interpret (deuten). I think there is
> probably an interesting project. (In JMB, 2004, I tried to provide
> some answers to the question of "What is the meaning of meaning?").
> :-)
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
>
> On 14-Feb-09, at 12:58 PM, Mike Cole wrote:
>
> > Darn. And I failed to quote Bakhtin! :-)
> >
> > Perhaps I err, but it seems to me that there is a good deal of
> > discussion on XMCA focusing on word meaning which gives the
> > impression that at times people want to get it right, more or less
> > independent of context of use... sort of like scientific concepts in
> > the discussion running parallel to this. But we cannot keep track of
> > the reductions in our own backgrounding of complex theory/context
> > relations even as we struggle against them.
> >
> > Have a great experience in your travels michael, and I hope you do
> > not perezhivaiete waiting for delayed flights!
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca>
> > wrote:
> > Bakhtin tells us that this pertains to ALL terms. :-) Michael (In
> > Toronto, en route to Zurich)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14-Feb-09, at 12:41 PM, Mike Cole wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I am convinced that perezhivanie is a highly polysemic term, the
> >> varied
> >> narrowed-down meanings
> >
> > Wolff-Michael Roth,
> > Lansdowne Professor, Applied Cognitive Science
> > MacLaurin Building A548
> > University of Victoria
> > Email: mroth@uvic.ca
> > Internet: http://www.educ.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth
> >
> >
>
> Wolff-Michael Roth,
> Lansdowne Professor, Applied Cognitive Science
> MacLaurin Building A548
> University of Victoria
> Email: mroth@uvic.ca
> Internet: http://www.educ.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth
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