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Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative papers

From: Phil Chappell <philchappell who-is-at mac.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20 2008 - 23:40:46 PST

I'd be happy to collaborate on/contribute to section 4, Andy, as it's
an area of current interest in my own work.

Cheers,

Phil
On 21/01/2008, at 3:45 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:

> I'm struggling to get a handle on the concept of this collaborative
> paper. It seems to me that the reflections of the veterans of
> Kharkov is something that absolutely must be produced and may have a
> very wide interest, probably wider than "Education and Didactique."
> But we need a theme. "Learning and Development" is the front runner
> as a theme, meaning the distinction and interrelation between
> learning and development. Perhaps we need to establish some main
> headings and commission or seek authors for topics??
> 1. Concepts of Learning and Development: Hegel/Marx/Vygotsky.
> leading/peripheral, social situation, zpd, etc
> 2. Language learning and development: ??
> 3. Classroom methods: PPP, imitation, performance and collaboration,
> TAs, PBL, etc.
> 4. Learning in Context: In school/out of school, formal/informal,
> direct/mediated
> 5. Cross cultural: styles of learning, x-culture problems, ??
> I'm just guessing. But I think it would be useful to agree some
> broad headings and I think even a collaborative paper should demand
> that all contributions address the common theme, viz., the relation
> between learning and development.
>
> Andy
> At 10:26 AM 20/01/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>> Elina-- Maybe we have more than one article here? I think a summary
>> of the
>> materials in the first paragraph of your would make a fantastic
>> contribution
>> to the journal and all of us.
>> But you can and should do that yourself of with Galina or.....
>>
>> All of the topics 1-3 you list seem plausible to me. And maybe
>> there are 3
>> different articles with different mixes of authors there?
>> mike
>>
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Elina Lampert-Shepel <ellampert@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I had no intention to stir any either/or thinking... I agree,
>> there should
>> > be no false dichotomies. As for El'konin-Davydov curriculum and
>> development
>> > as a subject of learning activity, there are definitely a lot of
>> > publications, including even publications from Kharkov laboratory
>> ( See
>> > Lampert -Shepel, E. (September-October, 2003) (Ed.) Learning
>> Activity. *Journal
>> > of Russian and East European Psychology, *41(4)). galina
>> tsukerman has a
>> > fantastic book 'Types of communication ( interaction) in teaching
>> and
>> > learning [obuchenii]", sorry I do not remeber the exact
>> translation of this
>> > book's title into English. The title reminds Davydov's book "
>> Types of
>> > generalizations in teaching and learning"
>> >
>> > In my previous e-mail I was questioning the existence of studies
>> > addressing the claim of direct transfer of the abilities
>> developed in the
>> > course of quasi-research/learning activity/inquiry to other
>> spheres of life
>> > including moral and ethical decision-making, emotional and social
>> > development, etc. We had long conversations with Davydov, Repkin,
>> Galina
>> > Tsukerman and others on this issue and there were numerous
>> observations that
>> > children educated in the school laboratories ( E-D curriculum)
>> were active
>> > learners, questioning the status quo, capable to work
>> collaboratively,
>> > comfortable with uncertainty, skilled to conceptualize the
>> unknown areas of
>> > study, quite comfortably ascending from abstract to
>> concrete...:-) Daniil
>> > Elkonin in his scientific diaries argues that each 'neoformation'
>> developed
>> > in the course of becoming a subject of leading activity
>> transforms the
>> > system of relationships among previously internalized
>> 'neoformations', and
>> > such transformation is qualitative. For example, mastery of
>> theoretical
>> > thinking during the learning activity thansforms the
>> > previously internalized 'imagination.' If anyone knows specific
>> studies
>> > addressing this issue, I would highly appreciate the references.
>> >
>> > Anyway, from the previously expressed suggestions and contexts of
>> learning
>> > here are some possibilities to collaboratively explore
>> development/learning;
>> >
>> > 1. Cross-cultural perspective/ conceptualizing tendencies and
>> meanings in
>> > development/learning. What are cross-cultural tendencies in
>> > development/learning emerging from practicing various Vygotsky's
>> inspired
>> > teaching/research/play/work? ( San Diego, Helsinki, Seoul, New
>> York, Moscow,
>> > ...other? or virtual cultures/contexts of being?)
>> >
>> > 2. Teaching and learning in CHAT tradition and life-long
>> learning. ( i
>> > was excited with the concept in Russia, but English word makes me
>> > depressed...life-long learning sounds as sentence in court...sorry,
>> > reflection on the side)
>> >
>> > 3. David's idea of new data and old masters, i.e. questioning/
>> critical
>> > analysis/ development of foundational ideas of development and
>> learning (
>> > CHAT) with new data and new perspectives.
>> >
>> > 4. "Virtually there..." , collaborations in time and space, new
>> forms of
>> > co-being and their impact on the course of learning and
>> development...
>> >
>> > 5. other?
>> >
>> > These are just a few thoughts that I irresponsibly suggest...use or
>> > discard if they are out of the context of your thinking...
>> > Elina
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 19, 2008 9:19 PM, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > How about we avoid either/or thinking?
>> > > Re Davydov/Elkonin.
>> > >
>> > > YES, we all need to know about it.
>> > > But the idea that there is no evidence out there about its
>> claims is
>> > > kind of
>> > > odd to
>> > > me. I know a LOT has to be missing,
>> > >
>> > > BUT
>> > >
>> > > Special issueS of J Russian and East European psych have been
>> devoted to
>> > > VVD,
>> > > and then to people like Galina Tsukerman. the American work of
>> Jean
>> > > Shmittau?
>> > > Why is there an either/or choice here?? Restricted number of
>> signs?
>> > > mike
>> > >
>> > > PS-- Lets hear if for creative spellers and willing contributors!
>> > >
>> > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:49 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > No worries Elina, your question is interesting as well... :-)
>> > > > I've just been detached from the listserv for a bit.
>> > > > ~ Em
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>> > > ] On
>> > > > Behalf Of Elina Lampert-Shepel
>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:12 PM
>> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> > > > Cc: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu; David Preiss
>> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative
>> papers
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks, David and Helen! Emily, I am sorry I distracted the
>> discussion
>> > > > with
>> > > > my question!
>> > > > Elina
>> > > >
>> > > > On Jan 19, 2008 3:13 PM, Emily Duvall <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Mike, could you include direction re finding that
>> discussion? I've
>> > > been
>> > > > > out of the loop at bit lately.
>> > > > > ~ Em
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Emily Duvall
>> > > > > Assistant Professor Curriculum & Instruction
>> > > > > University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
>> > > > > 1000 W. Hubbard Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814
>> > > > > T 208 667 2588 | F 208 667 5275 emily@uidaho.edu |
>> > > www.cda.uidaho.edu
>> > > > >
>> > > > > He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them
>> every day by
>> > > > storm.
>> > > > > -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>> > > ]
>> > > > On
>> > > > > Behalf Of Mike Cole
>> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:59 PM
>> > > > > To: David Preiss
>> > > > > Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re-cycling the idea of a collaborative
>> papers
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Nice that others are interested in the proposed collective
>> article
>> > > > idea.
>> > > > > I would think that checking out the discussion on development
>> > > between
>> > > > > San
>> > > > > Diego and Helsinki, Kellog and studens and Blunden,
>> > > > > both his article and ppt presention would be good place to
>> start to
>> > > > > connect.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > mike
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Jan 18, 2008 4:17 PM, David Preiss < davidpreiss@uc.cl>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Mike,I would be delighted to contribute to as well! What
>> might be
>> > > the
>> > > > > > skeleton of the article? It is such a broad topic!David
>> Preiss
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:49 PM, MARK DE BOER wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dear Dr. Cole,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I'd be interested in this collective article... I am not
>> as well
>> > > read
>> > > > as
>> > > > > > others, but my experience in the classroom might be of some
>> > > > assistance.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Best,
>> > > > > >
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>> > it and it responds. It is free. But it is not free to do what a
>> > violin string is supposed to do - to produce music. So I take it,
>> > fix it in my violin and tighten it until it is taut. Only then it
>> > is free to be a violin string.
>> > Sir Rabindranath Tagore.
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