RE: [xmca] blog alternative to email list

Mike, I agree with Mark - I'm soaking it in, but I appreciate the
responses I have received from my small participation and thanks for the
encouragement to ask questions.

As far as the issue of mail list versus blog is concerned, I vote for
the current set up. I use blogs all the time on a variety of topics but
it's the immediacy of the email that keeps the topic lively and direct.
Do whatever works for you and your associates, and we'll all get along
just fine, and thanks for keeping it going!

Teresa Alberte Hallam
thallam@uakron.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
On Behalf Of Mike Cole
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:23 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] blog alternative to email list

I expect you are not alone, Mark. I am certainly all wet most of the
time and try to sponge up everything I can.

One thing you CAN do. Ask questions. Repeat what somene has said
and ask what it means, why it is important. We all learn as a result.

One other thought for those who wish to read but not get their message
in email.
Put xmca in your span filter. then read it at xmca in the threaded
discussion when you wish.

And, if we have a blog in our future, volunteer to help run it!
mike

On 6/21/07, Mark Chen <markchen@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm one of those who voted on the article but proceeded not to
> comment. :) My main problem is that most of the discussion on this
> list is way over my head so I am attempting to just soak it all in
> like a dry sponge...only I'm more like a wet sponge that needs to
> continually be squeezed so that I can soak up more, but the squeezed
> out water just ends up back in the bucket, and I've probably killed
the analogy...
>
> Anyway, a blog would be quite nice, but I don't think things have to
> be either-or. Isn't there some sort of app out there that is a blog
> that emails people? Or maybe the posts on here can automatically be
> fed into a blog... Perhaps what we really want is a threaded
> discussion board that emails people...
>
> In the meantime, I'll continue to just soak as much as possible while
> trying not to suck.
>
> mark
>
> On 6/21/07, Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All--
> >
> > Replying to this message provides an apt opportunity to discuss a
> > few central issues in the continued operation of XMCA.
> >
> > The changeover for signing in was quite painful, but seems to have
> > been accomplished just fine. Now if you go to
> http://lchc/cgi-bin/xmca/subscriber_list.phpyou
> > will see that members can log in and fill out a little info
themselves.
> > Unsubscribing can be done here
> > as well without bothering the members at large.
> >
> > I understand the enthusiasm of some for a blog. At least for the
> > present I am not enthusiastic about this idea. There are several
> > reasons.
> >
> > 1. It would require creating a new support infrastructure.
> > 2. Many web newbies are not going to be familiar with, or
> > comfortable with a blog.
> > 3. The threaded discourse option at xmca offers a close equivalent
> > to a blog and is
> > in place.
> > 4. Many of those who favor a blog have never made a single
> > contribution to the ongoing
> > discussion at xmca, and many of those who do contribute are not
> > enthusiastic about
> > a blog.
> >
> > How to interpret #4? Is it that all the blog advocates would be
> > contributing to xmca if it were a blog? I doubt that, but its
> > possible. Is it that older members of xmca, who do contribute to the

> > discussion are less comfortable with blogs? This seems possible?
> > In any event, if the blog enthusiasts would like to jump in and help

> > create an xmca blog and try it out, we here at ucsd would be glad to

> > help by providing whatever info we can, but the volunteers would be
> > responsible for keeping track of posters, keeping up the archive,
> > making it accessible, etc.
> >
> > Perhaps an interesting middle way to experiment would be to have
> > the upcoming, in the fall, XMCA course use a blog so people could
try it out.
> > (The issue of this course will be
> > dealt with in a separate message).
> >
> > Another issue related to posting. Somewhere near 100 people voted
> > for a discussion of the Shaffer and Clinton article. It is chock a
> > block full of interesting, relevant ideas to this forum. VERY few
> > people have taken the trouble to comment. Of course, there can be
> > all sorts of explanations. Summer has started, people are away, or
> > busy catching up, or or or or or....... But the fact remains that
> > XMCA is a lousy spectator sport and learning, I believe we all
> > believe, should be an active process.
> >
> > Why is it that we get a lot of activity discussing the medium, but
> > avoid engaging its content?
> > I do not think that shifting to a blog would solve this problem, but

> > perhaps. Meantime, what do you think of the idea of toolforthought?
> > Do you believe that agency should be equally attributed to artifacts

> > and people? Do you believe that new computational media reduce the
> > necessity of learning how to subtract 105 from 204? Do you think
> > that David and Katherine have reinvented Vygotsky's criticism of the

> > telephone operater mediated telephone network?
> >
> > What do you think about all of this?
> > mike
> >
> > On 6/21/07, jmgdo@berkeley.edu <jmgdo@berkeley.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Agreed. I love the blog idea. The "blogosphere" as its called (I
> > > am a particularly blog-loving member and participant) offers a
> > > wonderful
> > shared
> > > space for community building. And its definitely the emerging
> > > media of "collaborative environment".
> > >
> > > My only practical concern is that every person who "posts" (rather

> > > than
> > > comments) must be invited into the blog as a contributor.
> > >
> > >
> > > > My 2 cents. Frankly, Email or 'listserv' is not a collaboration

> > > > environment. Collaboration needs a 'shared' environment...
> > > > email 'listsrve'
> > > > is simply crises-cross way of incomplete communication method -

> > > > not collaboration. New way of collaborating environments, say
> > > > blogs, are efficient and easier to extract 'knowledge' from the
> > > > gathered
> > 'content'.
> > > >
> > > > On Blog platforms, you have an option to subscribe/post new
> > > > content
> > via
> > > > Email or RSS based on their own frequency - real-time, once a
> > > > day or whatever and those who do not want to be interrupted
with emails...
> > can
> > > > visit blogs on their own time and contribute. Things in the
> > > > world are changing at an alarming rate that means we need to get

> > > > on to new way
> > of
> > > > collaboration starting 'yesterday' and not 'tomorrow',
> > > > especially the academia - the teaching community. Perhaps you
> > > > may have seen this clip
> > > at
> > > > the YouTube but here are some facts..
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65wE6yFYgP8
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy...
> > > > ---
> > > > Naeem Hashmi
> > > > Chief Research Officer
> > > > Information Frameworks
> > > > T: 603-552-5171 M: 603-661-6820
> > > > W: http://infoframeworks.com
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Peter Smagorinsky" <smago@uga.edu>
> > > > To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:17 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [xmca] blog alternative to email list
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> add my vote for a regular old listserv. No way I'd do this if
> > > >> it
> > meant
> > > >> keeping up with a blog. p
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Peter Smagorinsky
> > > >> The University of Georgia
> > > >> Department of Language and Literacy Education
> > > >> 125 Aderhold Hall
> > > >> Athens, GA 30602-7123
> > > >> smago@uga.edu /fax:706-542-4509/phone:706-542-4507/
> > > >> http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > >> [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> > ]
> > > >> On
> > > >> Behalf Of Vera Steiner
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:07 PM
> > > >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > >> Subject: Re: [xmca] blog alternative to email list
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree with Carol. It is much simpler as most of us check
> > > >> e-mail messages once a day, Vera
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Carol Macdonald wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Carol Macdonald says:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I read the e-mails, whereas I might not migrate to a blog of
> > > >>> my own initiative when very busy.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 19/06/07, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I agree with Naeem on this. I think a blog would be a far
> > > >>>> superior platform; and that if we were starting now from
> > > >>>> scratch, that is
> > how
> > > >>>> we'd
> > > >>>> do it.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Naeem Hashmi wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > Agree with Diarmuid.. Interesting forum but instead of
> > > >>>> > going
> > back
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>> 'old
> > > >>>> > email" distribution method, perhaps best is use a 'blog'
forum.
> > > >>>> Goal is
> > > >>>> > achieved without constant 'emeil' interruptions...
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Naeem
> > > >>>> > ---
> > > >>>> > Naeem Hashmi
> > > >>>> > Chief Research Officer
> > > >>>> > Information Frameworks
> > > >>>> > T: 603-552-5171 M: 603-661-6820
> > > >>>> > W: http://infoframeworks.com
> > > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diarmuid Fogarty"
> > > >>>> > <diarmuid@madasafish.com>
> > > >>>> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> > > >>>> > <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:21 PM
> > > >>>> > Subject: Re: Is there a Ph.D. in "science" Re: [xmca] Fwd:
> > > >>>> > New DegreeProgramsOxford
> > > >>>> >
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