Thanks, I found the text...
Joao Martins
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Packer" <packer@duq.edu>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [xmca] Types of internalisation
> Joao,
>
> I don't have the Spanish translation, but chapter 5, titled "Genesis of
> Higher Mental Functions," starts on page 97 in the English translation (in
> the Collected Works), so it's about 10 pages later.
>
> This is the chapter where Vygotsky gives the example of the child's
> reaching
> movement becoming a pointing gesture (p. 104-5) (used in Mind in Society).
> But he doesn't call this internalization; instead he says it can be
> described "using Hegel's analysis" and that it shows how "through others
> we
> become ourselves."
>
> On page 117 he's talking about the transition from "external" to
> "internal"
> as a 'revolution," and internal here seems to mean "a certain internal
> brain
> process." There are three kinds of revolution, "seam type," "revolution of
> the whole," and then my xerox copy ends!
>
> I think what he's calling 'seam type' here he also called 'stich type'
> elsewhere.
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/15/07 3:31 PM, "Joao Martins" <jbmartin@sercomtel.com.br> wrote:
>
>> martin, the translation that I have is spanish, which chapter of the
>> book
>> that corresponds to these pages?
>>
>> Joao Martins
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phil Chappell" <philchappell@mac.com>
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Types of internalisation
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Martin,
>>>
>>> Some interesting metaphors used there, and a very useful passage.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>> On 15/03/2007, at 5:05 AM, Martin Packer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil,
>>>>
>>>> Check page 117 of The History of the Genesis of Higher Mental
>>>> Functions.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/13/07 12:57 AM, "Phil Chappell" <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Martin - I'm still looking! I've had a couple of very useful
>>>>> suggestions off-list, too. Interesting that googling the terms draws
>>>>> blanks in many iterations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>> On 13/03/2007, at 3:30 AM, Martin Packer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, this is in the Collected Works, but I forget exactly where.
>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>> towards the end of History of the development of the higher mental
>>>>>> functions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/11/07 9:50 PM, "Phil Chappell" <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've come across a reference to Vygotsky writing of three types of
>>>>>>> internalisation: structural-type, stitch-type, and whole-type. I
>>>>>>> haven't come across this in any of the Vygotsky I've read - can
>>>>>>> anyone point me to a work that discusses this? I originally came
>>>>>>> across it in
>>>>>>> Robbins, D. 2003, Vygotsky's and A.A. Leontiev's semiotics and
>>>>>>> psycholinguistics : applications for education, second language
>>>>>>> acquisition, and theories of language , Praeger, 2003., Westport,
>>>>>>> Conn. ; London.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil
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