Re: [xmca] Unbelievable - & Spanish

From: Ana Marjanovic-Shane (
Date: Fri Oct 20 2006 - 15:14:52 PDT

It does sound paradoxical, but in fact the word "language" does not mean
the same in both statements from Derrida. The can both be true if we
have different meanings for "language".
As for whether LSV's thinking was fully or not fully dialectical, can
you cans some references for the texts you are mentioning, Michael? What
you said is interesting because I sometimes see Vygotsky's texts as
totally dialectical and sometimes I have the feeling that he is trying
to break away from the paradigms he had criticized himself, but is not
quite where he wants to be. But I have not read anybody else's thoughts
on that.

Wolff-Michael Roth wrote:
> In all your deliberations about (mono, bi-, multi-) lingualism,
> consider the following incompossible, contradictory propositions that
> are truly dialectical in their tenure and are sublated in actual human
> praxis:
> 1. We only ever speak one language.
> 2. We never speak only one language.
> (Derrida, 1998, p. 7)
> Derrida, J. (1998). Monolingualism of the Other; or, The prosthesis of
> origin. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press.
> To anyone interested in a dialectical account that LSV never could
> achieve because he was not fully thinking dialectically---according to
> a number of texts I recently came across---I recommend this little
> booklet very highly.
> I think we are allowed, and this is fully compatible with a
> dialectical theory of science (see Il'enkov) to go beyond the giants
> (i.e., LSV) on whose shoulders we stand.
> Cheers,
> Michael
> On 20-Oct-06, at 10:08 AM, wrote:
> Ok guys,
> let's go with bilingualism
> Vale,
> vamos con el bilinguismo
> As a first time, I´m going to try with both languages at the same time.
> Como es la primera vez, voy a intentar usar las dos lenguas.
> My comment today is that it is very important to realize that a real
> bilingualism should include scientific knowledge -whatever you want to
> understand by this.
> Mi primer comentario es que considero muy importante darse cuenta de
> que un
> bilinguismo total debe incluir el conocimiento científico.
> Last week, Olga Vazquez visited my University and made a presentation
> on "La
> clase mágica". One of the most relevant comments from the audience
> -all of us
> spanish researchers and undergradute students- was about the assymetrical
> bilingualism that we still perceived within that so interesting
> experience
> implemented by Olga and her collaborators.
> La semana pasada Olga Vazquez estuvo en mi Universidad presentando su
> investigación en "La clase Mágica". El comentario más repetido por
> parte de la
> audiencia fue sobre nuestra percepción de que el bilinguismo implícito
> en la
> experiencia es todavía asimétrico.
> We expressed this idea in terms of a defense of Spanish as a scientic
> language. But we also realized that it would be applied to other
> languages and
> we made a parallelism between the Mexican at the USA and the arabian
> at Spain.
> Expresamos esa idea como la necesidad de defender el español como
> lenguaje
> científico. Pero también éramos conscientes de que eso afecta al resto
> de las
> lenguas. Reflexionamos sobre la situación de los inmigrantes de origen
> árabe
> en ESpaña y establecíamos un cierto paralelismo con la situación de los
> inmigrantes de origen Mexicano (hispanos en general) implicados en la
> Clase
> Mágica.
> So I think is time to tackle the issue in XMCA, but I wonder if Thought &
> Language is to long as a first attempt. We can go twofold. Just some
> chapters
> from T&L. Or just some chapters from M in S. I'll delighted any way.
> Así que creo que ha llegado el momento de abordar este asunto dentro
> de XMCA
> pero creo que Pensamiento y Lenguaje puede resultad demasiado largo
> para un
> primer intento. Podemos empezar por algún capítulo aunque también podemos
> hacer lo mismo con "Mind in Society". Estaré encantado con cualquiera
> de las
> dos opciones.
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