Re: [xmca] zoped

From: bb (
Date: Mon Mar 20 2006 - 07:20:57 PST

One thing that strikes me about zoped discussions in the past have been the restricted range in which zoped applies to development, e.g. higher order functions, intellectual functions, scientific concepts. What of the whole child? Are there not possibilities in the interaction between people that advance social and emotional development? That promote a child's abilities to engage in pro-social actions? Should these things be left out of what can constitute a zoped?


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From: "Mike Cole" <>
> Dear Just wondering.
> I will enter into this discussion seriously when I get through the final
> exam to be given later today and get home safely and then away
> frrom the crush of instittuionalized academic like.
> Lets see, if a teacher walks up to a child, kicks the child in the shins,
> the child cries in pain, and the teacher laughs.. There's
> an interaction.
> If development is breaking away, perhaps such a zone would entail the child
> throwing an inkwell at a teacher, injuring another child,
> and being kicked out of school.
> We have posted somewhere, or have somewhere. Seth Chaiklin's systematic
> discussion of misuses of the idea of zoped. Other
> discussions can be found in addison stone and in griffin and cole
> and........... if this is meant as acongtribution to what and what should
> not go into a set of putative examples of exemplary teaching/learning
> interactions that might help us figurfe out what/when is a zoped
> (according to this speech community) and why their occurrences are
> apparently so restricted in classrooms (perhaps a disputable
> remark?), Isuggest we start with work already done on XMCA to be more
> specific than any interaction beftween teacher and child.
> back as events allow
> mike
> On 3/19/06, Cunningham, Donald James <> wrote:
> >
> > Since I sometimes play the role of "word police", could I ask about the
> > zone of proximal development?
> >
> > It seems to me that the term is often used to characterize any interaction
> > between a teacher and a student. That would be a pretty vacuous use, not in
> > keeping with Vygotsky's basic insight, IMHO. As the page of exemplary zopeds
> > is being built, could we talk about the criteria for determining whether
> > something qualifies? Did Socrates create a zoped with (I assume you create
> > one with not for) the slave boy? Did Jesus (or Mohammad or whoever) create a
> > zoped? How about the teacher in "Dead Poet Society"? The former coach at
> > Indiana University, Bob Knight?
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wondering........djc
> >
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