Thanks, bb. I agree. I was not at ISCAR but it will be interesting to hear
what others have to say about it.
dp
bb writes:
> We need Mary and Nancy's help here -- Nancy had already pointed to gender differences in presentations at iscar, and noted several other possible presenters. There's a damn good beginning.
>
> What we have as the challenge before us is to accept their perspectives as valid, ask for futher clarification and elaboration, make a better attempt to understand what Mary and Nancy are writing, and the contradiction(s) will emerge, if we persist. Reading Mary's publications will be a good start an historical analysis.
>
> Some one else have something to offer?
>
> bb
>
>
>>
>> Ans what are the contradictions, bb? Need some help here.
>> dp
>>
>>
>> bb writes:
>>
>> > To combine these two threads, and not let the issue be washed, I note the
>> gender and cultural differences in what is being said by whom. Look for
>> yourself. I think what Mary and Nancy sense is something to which we (guys/good
>> ol' guys) should pay attention -- the very change in volume of postings is
>> evidence enough, and one would dialectically approach this looming issue looking
>> for the deeper underlaying contradiction, not just claim that this is not
>> normal. We can do better to make sure xmca does not become an institution that
>> "buries its contradictions".
>> >
>> > Damn, it certainly is good (for me, anyway) that Mary continues to push and
>> make one think beyond the boundaries that the past has created. THIS feels like
>> what xmca has been and could be.
>> >
>> > bb
>> >
>> >
>> >> I also was taken aback by the reference to "good girl," and appreciate Mary
>> >> bringing it to explicit discussion. Yes, second language and other issues
>> >> may be part of the explanation for the particular remark. I think Mary's
>> >> other comment about an exclusive or private men's club warrants more
>> >> thought. If you think (or if we looked in the archives) of who posts, who
>> >> directs the discussions, whose posting get responded to, it seems a trend of
>> >> male-weighted influence appears. Another indication of this pattern, and one
>> >> I had thought to post shortly after ISCAR but didn't, for fear of offending,
>> >> is the "Future of" the field in Sevilla. All panelists were white men. The
>> >> message to me was that that future is likely to continue to be largely
>> >> shaped by white men, as it has been to this point. The scholarly work of
>> >> women (and people of color) hasn't been treated as central to the direction,
>> >> nor in that panel was it treated as central to the future, of this
>> >> community. I may be being a bit harsh, but works by, for example, Marianne
>> >> Heiddegard, Kris Gutierrez, Carol Lee have been widely influential, but they
>> >> weren't invited to participate in that important event (I know I'm
>> >> neglecting other important scholars and I apologize. I am only listing
>> >> examples). So, I think Mary pointed to something important.
>> >>
>> >> Respectfully,
>> >> Nancy
>> >>
>> >> Nancy Ares
>> >> Assistant Professor
>> >> Teaching & Curriculum
>> >> The Warner Graduate School of Education
>> >> and Human Development
>> >> University of Rochester
>> >> P.O. Box 270425
>> >> Rochester, NY 14627
>> >> 585-273-5957
>> >> fax 585-473-7598
>> >>
>> >> > ----------
>> >> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Carol Macdonald
>> >> > Reply To: macdonaldc@educ.wits.ac.za;eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> >> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:08 PM
>> >> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> >> > Subject: [xmca] This really isn't typical, guys
>> >> >
>> >> > Mary
>> >> > I have never seen any sexism on this list before, and I truly believe that
>> >> > the great people I met at Sevilla are embarrassed by the language of this
>> >> > posting. We all have a real contribution to make, so please don't go
>> >> > away.
>> >> > If you are really are still brassed off, write to me personally, and blow
>> >> > off steam....:) (And you know that "guys" is now a gender neutral term,
>> >> > don't you!)
>> >> >
>> >> > Shame on you Ricardo!
>> >> >
>> >> > Carol
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 10/28/05 8:00 AM, "Ricardo Japiassu" <rjapias@uol.com.br> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > The most part of article is a predictable critical review of Leontiev1s
>> >> > > Activity, Counsciousness and Personality - not because Dr. Setsenko1s
>> >> > > thinking cannot go beyond the obvious rather present an original
>> >> > approach
>> >> > to
>> >> > > activity but, in my point of view, because she preffers to be a 3good
>> >> > girl2.
>> >> >
>> >> > Misogynist sexist objectification of any author or their work is
>> >> > absolutely
>> >> > unacceptable on this list.
>> >> > If we are ever going to move forward in this field towards a body of
>> >> > knowledges that is anything other than over-determined by a particularly
>> >> > gendered history this kind of signifying practice can not be condoned.
>> >> > You have almost managed in practical terms to have a private men's club,
>> >> > with a few women relegated to the wings. If this really is the intent,
>> >> > then
>> >> > be clear about it and the rest of us can move elsewhere.
>> >> >
>> >> >
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