We need Mary and Nancy's help here -- Nancy had already pointed to gender differences in presentations at iscar, and noted several other possible presenters. There's a damn good beginning.
What we have as the challenge before us is to accept their perspectives as valid, ask for futher clarification and elaboration, make a better attempt to understand what Mary and Nancy are writing, and the contradiction(s) will emerge, if we persist. Reading Mary's publications will be a good start an historical analysis.
Some one else have something to offer?
bb
>
> Ans what are the contradictions, bb? Need some help here.
> dp
>
>
> bb writes:
>
> > To combine these two threads, and not let the issue be washed, I note the
> gender and cultural differences in what is being said by whom. Look for
> yourself. I think what Mary and Nancy sense is something to which we (guys/good
> ol' guys) should pay attention -- the very change in volume of postings is
> evidence enough, and one would dialectically approach this looming issue looking
> for the deeper underlaying contradiction, not just claim that this is not
> normal. We can do better to make sure xmca does not become an institution that
> "buries its contradictions".
> >
> > Damn, it certainly is good (for me, anyway) that Mary continues to push and
> make one think beyond the boundaries that the past has created. THIS feels like
> what xmca has been and could be.
> >
> > bb
> >
> >
> >> I also was taken aback by the reference to "good girl," and appreciate Mary
> >> bringing it to explicit discussion. Yes, second language and other issues
> >> may be part of the explanation for the particular remark. I think Mary's
> >> other comment about an exclusive or private men's club warrants more
> >> thought. If you think (or if we looked in the archives) of who posts, who
> >> directs the discussions, whose posting get responded to, it seems a trend of
> >> male-weighted influence appears. Another indication of this pattern, and one
> >> I had thought to post shortly after ISCAR but didn't, for fear of offending,
> >> is the "Future of" the field in Sevilla. All panelists were white men. The
> >> message to me was that that future is likely to continue to be largely
> >> shaped by white men, as it has been to this point. The scholarly work of
> >> women (and people of color) hasn't been treated as central to the direction,
> >> nor in that panel was it treated as central to the future, of this
> >> community. I may be being a bit harsh, but works by, for example, Marianne
> >> Heiddegard, Kris Gutierrez, Carol Lee have been widely influential, but they
> >> weren't invited to participate in that important event (I know I'm
> >> neglecting other important scholars and I apologize. I am only listing
> >> examples). So, I think Mary pointed to something important.
> >>
> >> Respectfully,
> >> Nancy
> >>
> >> Nancy Ares
> >> Assistant Professor
> >> Teaching & Curriculum
> >> The Warner Graduate School of Education
> >> and Human Development
> >> University of Rochester
> >> P.O. Box 270425
> >> Rochester, NY 14627
> >> 585-273-5957
> >> fax 585-473-7598
> >>
> >> > ----------
> >> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Carol Macdonald
> >> > Reply To: macdonaldc@educ.wits.ac.za;eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:08 PM
> >> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> > Subject: [xmca] This really isn't typical, guys
> >> >
> >> > Mary
> >> > I have never seen any sexism on this list before, and I truly believe that
> >> > the great people I met at Sevilla are embarrassed by the language of this
> >> > posting. We all have a real contribution to make, so please don't go
> >> > away.
> >> > If you are really are still brassed off, write to me personally, and blow
> >> > off steam....:) (And you know that "guys" is now a gender neutral term,
> >> > don't you!)
> >> >
> >> > Shame on you Ricardo!
> >> >
> >> > Carol
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10/28/05 8:00 AM, "Ricardo Japiassu" <rjapias@uol.com.br> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The most part of article is a predictable critical review of Leontiev1s
> >> > > Activity, Counsciousness and Personality - not because Dr. Setsenko1s
> >> > > thinking cannot go beyond the obvious rather present an original
> >> > approach
> >> > to
> >> > > activity but, in my point of view, because she preffers to be a 3good
> >> > girl2.
> >> >
> >> > Misogynist sexist objectification of any author or their work is
> >> > absolutely
> >> > unacceptable on this list.
> >> > If we are ever going to move forward in this field towards a body of
> >> > knowledges that is anything other than over-determined by a particularly
> >> > gendered history this kind of signifying practice can not be condoned.
> >> > You have almost managed in practical terms to have a private men's club,
> >> > with a few women relegated to the wings. If this really is the intent,
> >> > then
> >> > be clear about it and the rest of us can move elsewhere.
> >> >
> >> >
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