RE: [xmca] Objecting to objectification

From: White, Phillip (
Date: Fri Oct 28 2005 - 19:05:12 PDT

i thought of this - the second language issue.

thinking about, for example, using "una chiquita buena" as a descriptor for an adult is perjorative, no matter what.

have seen Stetsenko in action as discussant in Sevilla, poised, capable, and marvelously centered - well, Ricardo's term was beyond bounds.


-----Original Message-----
From: on behalf of David Preiss
Sent: Fri 10/28/2005 12:19 PM
To: 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'
Subject: RE: [xmca] Objecting to objectification
Hi Mary,
I empathize with the feelings, but I was wondering wheter we are
misinterpreting Ricardo. There may be issues related to the fact that he is
writing in a second language, and that the translation does not sound good,
although he did not intend to objectify. Ricardo, could you clarify?
That said, why do you say that xmca has been a men's club? Sounds strange
for a group of ex-collaborators and incoming followers of Sylvia Scribner...

David Preiss
Profesor Auxiliar / Assistant Professor
Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile
Escuela de Psicología
Av. Vicuña Mackenna 4860
Macul, Santiago,
Fono: 56-2-3544605
Fax: 56-2-354-4844

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Mary K. Bryson
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: [xmca] Objecting to objectification

On 10/28/05 8:00 AM, "Ricardo Japiassu" <> wrote:

> The most part of article is a predictable critical review of
> Leontiev1s Activity, Counsciousness and Personality - not because Dr.
> Setsenko1s thinking cannot go beyond the obvious rather present an
> original approach to activity but, in my point of view, because she
> preffers to be a 3good girl2.

Misogynist sexist objectification of any author or their work is absolutely
unacceptable on this list. If we are ever going to move forward in this
field towards a body of knowledges that is anything other than
over-determined by a particularly gendered history this kind of signifying
practice can not be condoned. You have almost managed in practical terms to
have a private men's club, with a few women relegated to the wings. If this
really is the intent, then be clear about it and the rest of us can move

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