Re: [xmca] Readung Piaget again...

[Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>]

Oh excuse me, I only saw the attachment after I sent the message.  Thanks
Martin.  Will read this.
Carol

On 14 February 2013 20:40, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Martin
>
> Have you got access to that on our behalf--I say this because Furth is/was
> a good exponent of classical Piaget.  (Late Piaget is different and
> exceptionally difficult.)
>
> Look forward to it.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 14 February 2013 20:20, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>
>> There's also this:
>>
>> Furth, H. G., & Youniss, J. (2000). Reflections on Piaget's sociological
>> studies. New Ideas in Psychology, 18(2-3), 121-133.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > Piaget wrote a book called "Six sociological studies" which was only
>> > available in French for many years.  I am going to look for
>> information, as
>> > my copy was stolen.  For him, "sociological' was roughly the same as
>> > "social".
>> >
>> > Will get back to you.
>> >
>> > Carol
>> >
>> > On 14 February 2013 19:30, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I agree with Armando. Among other things, that document about event
>> >> planning provides an interesting
>> >> start on analyzing certain generalizable categories relevant to the
>> >> division of labor and its dynamics.
>> >>
>> >> People are responding to my original question about "what is an event"
>> in
>> >> terms of different discourses
>> >> focused on different levels of scale, in the chat sense.
>> >>
>> >> Sewell and Sahlins are concerned with events at the level of memorable
>> and
>> >> memorialized history
>> >> events in discussion issues of agency and structure at the cultural
>> >> historical level.
>> >>
>> >> Cultural-mediational psychologists and other ontogeny-oriented folks
>> look
>> >> at socially defined events
>> >> of long standing such as birthdays and innaugurations wars, etc. This
>> >> branches into the branches that Greg has pointed to in sociology,
>> symbolic
>> >> interactionisn, cultural studies. And it branched "down" into
>> developmental
>> >> psychology using notions such as event schemas/scripts..... secondary
>> >> artifacts in Wartofskian terms.
>> >>
>> >> I sure have a pile of reading to do! Serves me right wondering what
>> events
>> >> have to do with communication.  :-)
>> >> mike
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Justo, Armando <ArmandoJ@iadb.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Carol,
>> >>>
>> >>> That is a very interesting question and I personally think that CHAT
>> is
>> >>> great for the analysis. These behaviors represent historical accepted
>> >> forms
>> >>> of activity for these positions that establish the "norms" applicable
>> to
>> >>> its incumbents. The credentialization movement is grounded in these
>> type
>> >> of
>> >>> approaches.
>> >>>
>> >>> One possibility could be the analysis of use value and exchange value
>> to
>> >>> see how individuals use this set of behaviors to develop and to foster
>> >>> their employability, and how organizations use the same behaviors to
>> >> define
>> >>> the rules for the activity. Sawchuk (2003) does a very interesting
>> >> analysis
>> >>> of this type for the functions of a university professor.
>> >>>
>> >>> Another performative lens would help incumbents to see these examples
>> as
>> >>> developmental possibilities "to be both who they are and who they are
>> >>> becoming" (Holzman, 2009).
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope this helps!
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Armando
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: Carol Macdonald [mailto:carolmacdon@gmail.com]
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 04:55 AM
>> >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Events: Assistance requested
>> >>>
>> >>> Armando,
>> >>>
>> >>> This is obviously a correct and comprehensive account. I do, however,
>> >>> wonder how Mike is going to conceptualise that in CHAT!
>> >>>
>> >>> Carol
>> >>>
>> >>> On 13 February 2013 21:07, Justo, Armando <ArmandoJ@iadb.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Dear Mike,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Years ago I conducted the profiling of technical competencies for one
>> >>>> organization that has the position of "event planners". Their job
>> >>>> encompassed four key areas: (i) knowledge of norms and regulations,
>> >> (ii)
>> >>>> events management , (iii) contract services management, and (i)
>> budget
>> >>>> management.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Below are the responsibilities of this position.  I hope it helps,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Armando Justo
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Event Planning and Production includes staff who are responsible for
>> >> the
>> >>>> organization, coordination and execution of various events. Their
>> >>>> responsibilities encompass the coordination and supervision of all
>> >>>> protocol, ceremonial, and logistic aspects of these events applying
>> >>>> appropriate norms and regulations.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (i) Norms and Regulations
>> >>>> . Defines logistical and physical event requirements, making
>> >>>> recommendations based on client needs, cost benefits and protocol
>> >>> standards.
>> >>>> . Defines event strategies and establishes order of precedence based
>> on
>> >>>> analysis of agenda, list of attendees and cultural sensitivities.
>> >>>> . Guides staff on protocol matters, both written and procedural, and
>> >>> guest
>> >>>> criteria.
>> >>>> . Conducts quality control, evaluating the performance and quality of
>> >>>> services provided by vendors and facilities.
>> >>>> . Drafts recommendations for implementation of new protocol norms and
>> >>>> procedures, based on identification of best market practices.
>> >>>> . Provides guidance on application of proper protocol procedures for
>> >>>> official events.
>> >>>> . Anticipates potential complex and/or high visibility protocol
>> issues,
>> >>>> using sound judgment to identify and implement corrective solutions.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (ii) Events Management
>> >>>> . Advises involved players on logistical and protocol concerns and
>> >> needs,
>> >>>> providing strategic information regarding participant requirements
>> >> and/or
>> >>>> agenda issues.
>> >>>> . Initiates and coordinates corrective measures in response to issues
>> >>>> identified regarding the planning and execution of events.
>> >>>> . Conducts quality assurance for processing and approval of required
>> >>>> documentation, ensuring that requests for all necessary equipment and
>> >>>> logistical requirements are complete and accurate.
>> >>>> . Defines critical success factors to be considered for execution and
>> >>>> evaluation of event management.
>> >>>> . Defines criteria for identification of new facilities and
>> resources,
>> >>>> guiding staff in assessing factors to be considered, ensuring
>> >> compliance
>> >>>> with established procedures and maximization of financial resources.
>> >>>> . Guides staff, providing information and answering inquiries on best
>> >>>> utilization of available resources and/or need for additional
>> >> resources.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (iii) Contract Services Management
>> >>>> . Monitors work performed by consultants and contractors, ensuring
>> >>>> satisfactory delivery of services in compliance with contract
>> >>>> specifications and schedules, identifying any corrective actions
>> >>> necessary.
>> >>>> . Develop contractual agreements that maximize protection and value
>> for
>> >>>> the organization, and meet the business requirements.
>> >>>> . Negotiates and/or renegotiates contract terms and conditions,
>> >> ensuring
>> >>>> best cost value while maintaining quality of service.
>> >>>> . Educates external providers on conference or audio-visual norms and
>> >>>> guidelines, monitoring their work to ensure successful event
>> >> organization
>> >>>> and/or services consistent with internal standards and procedures.
>> >>>> . Develops work programs and schedules according to upcoming event
>> >>>> requirements, and analysis of specific needs, optimizing the use of
>> >>>> financial and human resources.
>> >>>> . Establishes contract requirements, applying knowledge of market
>> >>>> conditions in the selection and hiring of consultants and service
>> >>> providers.
>> >>>> . In conjunction with the legal department, identifies legal
>> >> implications
>> >>>> of user or vendor requests, to reduce potential liability to the
>> >>>> organization.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (iv) Budget Administration
>> >>>> . Analyzes and determines needed budget for events maximizing cost
>> >>> savings
>> >>>> and efficiency.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
>> >>> On
>> >>>> Behalf Of "Engeström, Yrjö H M"
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:34 PM
>> >>>> To: lchcmike@gmail.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Events: Assistance requested
>> >>>>
>> >>>> MIke, the historian/historical sociologist William H. Sewell, Jr. has
>> >>>> built much of his theory of history on the concept of event. See for
>> >>>> example:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Sewell, W. H., Jr. (1996). Historical events as transformations of
>> >>>> structures: Inventing revolution at the Bastille. Theory and Soecity,
>> >>>> 25(6), 841-881.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Sewell, W. H., Jr. (1996). Three temporalities: Toward and eventful
>> >>>> sociology. In T. J. McDonald (Ed.), The historic turn in the human
>> >>>> sciences. University of Michigan Press.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yrjö
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:26 PM, mike cole wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> This is all very helpful. I recommend that stanford encyclopedia
>> >> entry
>> >>>>> for a way to think about the span of levels and range of phenomena
>> to
>> >>>>> which we apply the term, event.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Note that in Pepper's "world hypotheses" view, "the event" is the
>> >> unit
>> >>>>> of analysis of contextualism.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> hmmmm
>> >>>>> mike
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Helena Worthen <
>> >>> helenaworthen@gmail.com
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mike-
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> One form of "event planning," which I assume includes everything
>> >> from
>> >>>>>> kid's birthday parties to a ride at Disneyland to political
>> >>>>>> conventions, is theater production. From the job description point
>> >> of
>> >>>>>> view, the person listed as "producer" for a play is responsible for
>> >>>>>> everything from raising the money, writing the budget, choosing the
>> >>>>>> play and publicizing it, hiring the director and other technical
>> >>>>>> staff and shaping how it is interpreted by the media and finally
>> >>>>>> deciding when it closes and paying off (or apologizing) to the
>> >>>>>> investors. As Jim Mackenzie, who was Producer at ACT in San
>> >> Francisco
>> >>>>>> once said, "Sometimes all you have to do is say 'Let's do it' and
>> >>>> sometimes you're sewing on the zippers."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> When I googled "theater production", however, I saw that theater
>> >>>>>> departments who teach production focus on what goes on backstage --
>> >>>>>> costumes, wigs, makeup, set design, lighting. That's much narrower
>> >>>>>> than what a producer does. No useful book showed up.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Nonetheless, theater might be a good way to talk about event
>> >> planning
>> >>>>>> because of a key feature of  both: they are both bounded by the
>> >>>>>> audience's or the participant's, encounter with them. They require
>> >>>>>> taking the audience's perspective from the first awareness
>> >>>>>> (pre-publicity) all the way through to the memory of the event.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I found this perspective useful when producing the annual
>> >> conferences
>> >>>>>> for labor educators, which were very successful and drew increasing
>> >>>>>> numbers of participants over the four years I was doing it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Helena Worthen
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2/12/13 3:57 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ah! Well, I started to send this note to all of you, then decided
>> >> to
>> >>>>>>> send to daughter, but ended up sending to all of you after all, so
>> >>>>>>> here is the problem. Delete if this is an intrusion on your time.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I am teaching a class where students are interest in an activity
>> >>>>>>> called "event planning" for which people are sometime paid enough
>> >> to
>> >>>>>>> make a living. The difficulty is that the students do not appear
>> to
>> >>>>>>> have been taught anything they can remember about events and this
>> >> is
>> >>>>>>> a senior class. So I am doing some digging with them, and now with
>> >>>>>>> you.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The dictionary is of limited use:
>> >>>>>>> * *
>> >>>>>>> *a. * Something that takes place; an occurrence.
>> >>>>>>> *b. * A significant occurrence or happening. See Synonyms at
>> >>>>>>> occurrence<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/occurrence>
>> >>>>>>> .
>> >>>>>>> *c. * A social gathering or activity.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> A philosophical dictionary lays out the problem territory in
>> >> greater
>> >>>>>>> detail: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/events/#EveVsObj
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> For events of type c, which the students are most concerned with
>> of
>> >>>>>>> course, my thought was to turn to the work of Turner, Goffman.....
>> >>>>>>> but I cannot use an entire book.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I would appreciate suggestions for sources that would help me and
>> >> my
>> >>>>>>> students to think about events, especially as they relate to a
>> >>>>>>> process called communication.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> mike
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