Re: [xmca] ISCAR Newsletter?

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Hi Nektarios--

The history of your background and the various papers you sent provide a
really helpful context for understanding your messages on xmca. Thanks a
lot for sending along.

An observation related to a question:

In skimming the references in several of the the papers, only one of them
seemed to border on the edges of XMCA discourse; Knorr-Cetina, and others.
But the rest appear to be from a completely discourse world, but
overlapping topic of concern. Is that a correct impression?

If so, how are you planning to locate the concept of "help seeking" within
whatever clan of CHAT family theories you are using to think about the
problem. It seems a great topic for cross-cultural research because it is
goes right to the issue of the differing meanings in the semantic field of
"hope" related to differing social solutions to universal problems.

All very interesting.
mike





On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Nektarios Alexi <
NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au> wrote:

>
> This is a very important and considerable big study in Australia which is
> focused more to young people but I think many findings and are also applied
> for older individuals.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Andy Blunden
> Sent: Sun 11/11/2012 4:31 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR Newsletter?
>
> Oh! Much too much for me to  cope with Nektarios.
> Do you have some simple guidelines, relevant to contemporary Australia?
>
> Andy
>
> Nektarios Alexi wrote:
> >
> > Well they could be some cultural differences between Anglo-Australians
> > and  Greeks or Greek-Cypriots for the simple fact that church and
> > state is not separated in Greece and Cyprus, therefore very often
> > people see them selves as Greek-Orthodox christians which very often
> > comes with certain attitudes towards seeking solutions for health
> > problems and also mental health problems. These differences we reckon
> > would be bigger between older population than younger people which
> > probably more or less 80% of the population under 40, over there, have
> > graduate and postgraduate qualifications.
> >
> > Nektarios
> >
> > (find attached some important articles on the subject)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Andy Blunden
> > Sent: Sun 11/11/2012 10:10 AM
> > To: ablunden@mira.net; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR Newsletter?
> >
> > I don't know about cultural differences, Nektarios, but when you've
> > figured out how to encourage people to seek help who either deny they
> > need it, or don't want to cause trouble, please get in touch! Or if
> > you have any good literature for a novice reader, I would be
> > interested, too. What are the factors?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > Nektarios Alexi wrote:
> >
> >         Yes something like that Andy:)
> >
> >         If all goes as it is expected to goes i might be finishing
> > next year that time. I am going to Cyprus next week to collect the
> > data from there and then start writing the next part of it, results
> > and discussion.Literature review it is almost finished i think...
> >
> >         Help-seeking behaviours for mental ilness it is simply means
> > to whom are asking for help individuals that are going through mental
> > health problems. e.g Are Greeks more willing to ask help from a family
> > member or friend or the priest than the psychologist or the
> > psychiatrist? And also are the Anglo Australians more willing to ask
> > for help when facing such problems from mental health professionals
> > than Greeks? Something like that in a nutshell:)
> >
> >         Nektarios
> >         ,
> >
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Andy Blunden
> >         Sent: Sat 11/10/2012 8:46 PM
> >         To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >         Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR Newsletter?
> >
> >          From Budapest to San Diego via Darwin, eh?
> >
> >         Where are you up to in your PhD, Nektarios?
> >         And what does "help-seeking behaviours for mental illness" mean?
> >
> >         Andy
> >         Nektarios Alexi wrote:
> >         >
> >         > Thats a good question Andy, it seems that a sequence of
> > events lead me
> >         > to xmca, but i think who put the seed to me of such a
> > comprehensive
> >         > approach to human development and human problems was my
> > professor of
> >         > developmental psychology Magda Kalmar when i was doing my BA
> >         > Psychology and MA Clinical Psychology at Eotvos Lorand
> > University of
> >         > Budapest. She has worked directly with Jerome Bruner i have
> > discovered
> >         > accidentally a week ago ''In Oxford Bruner collected a large
> > group of
> >         > graduate students and post-doctoral fellows who participated
> > in the
> >         > effort to understand how young children manage to crack the
> > linguistic
> >         > code, among them Alison Gopnik, Magda Kalmar hu:Kalmár Magda
> >         > (pszichológus), Alan Leslie, Andrew Meltzoff, Anat Ninio,
> > Roy Pea,
> >         > Susan Sugarman [2], Michael Scaife, Marian Sigman [3], Kathy
> > Sylva and
> >         > many others. '' (Wikipedia) and Uri Bronfenbrenner i think.
> > But i
> >         > didnt know about xmc a specifically till 2 years ago when i
> > started
> >         > writing my PhD research proposal here at Charles Darwin
> > University
> >         > where i was seeking material to write a proposal explaining
> >         > help-seeking behaviours for mental illness under a
> sociocultural
> >         > framework, and somehow through google i have discovered the
> > infinite
> >         > food for thought world of xmca:)
> >         >
> >         > Nektarios
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > -----Original Message-----U BronfenbrennerFrom:
> >         > xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Andy Blunden
> >         > Sent: Sat 11/10/2012 7:05 PM
> >         > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >         > Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR Newsletter?
> >         >
> >         > The infinite regression happens by itself, Nektarios, along
> > with the
> >         > pleasure you will get from reading this stuff. Don't worry
> about
> >         > "absolute answers" because you won't find them. What brought
> > you to xmca
> >         > to begin with?
> >         >
> >         > Andy
> >         >
> >         > Nektarios Alexi wrote:
> >         > >
> >         > > But what about creating questions as reading? What about
> > expanding by
> >         > > learning? And what about reading for the sake of
> > questioning rather
> >         > > than seeking for absolute answers? What about reading for
> > sake of the
> >         > > pleasure of reading by it self? But not a pleasure that it is
> >         > > exhausted after its fullfillment but for a pleasure that
> > is getting
> >         > > deeper and deeper as more someone read?
> >         > >
> >         > >
> >         > > -----Original Message-----
> >         > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Andy Blunden
> >         > > Sent: Sat 11/10/2012 2:02 PM
> >         > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >         > > Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR Newsletter?
> >         > >
> >         > > To read productively, Nektarios, I think it is always
> > necessary to read
> >         > > purposively, that is, especially, to seek for the answers
> > to specific
> >         > > questions (or betters ways of framing the question!).
> > Sometimes what you
> >         > > are reading is not at the appropriate degree of generality
> > to give
> >         > > answers recognisable to your questions, and that is a
> > problem in itself.
> >         > > But always proceed like Sherlock Holmes, looking for clues.
> >         > >
> >         > > Andy
> >         > >
> >         > > Nektarios Alexi wrote:
> >         > > >
> >         > > > Hi Andy,
> >         > > >
> >         > > > Tnx for posting your work. I am looking toward to read
> > it carefully
> >         > > > very soon and hope to come up with some relevant questions.
> >         > > >
> >         > > > Sometime it is hard to find appropriate questions,
> > because i am not
> >         > > > always sure if i am understanding correctly what i am
> > reading, from
> >         > > > scholars of the calibre that are writing in this forum.
> > But i think
> >         > > > that all these fascinating readings that people posting
> > here it is a
> >         > > > kind of Zone of Proximal development for me since it
> > keeps my
> >         > > > intellectual curiosity always alert.
> >         > > >
> >         > > >
> >         > > >
> >         > > > Nektarios
> >         > > >
> >         > >
> >         >
> >         >
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