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Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren

Huw,
I am referring to the influence upon persons by the deep structure of spoken-word language - the relationship between the sounds of words and that to which they refer -. The personal intellectual activity that some participate in, using words as thinking facilitators, is the realm of the few, the ones who have the time and motivation to do so, not the majority of those of us who are struggling to make ends meet. The harassed masses typically do not have much perceived opportunity to engage in "extracurricular" activities. The affect upon us of our language is automatic and constant, while the understandings we achieve by our deliberate reasoning comes to us only by our efforts. I am not arguing against free will, but rather saying that whatever impinges on our perspective, - especially whatever impinges strongly on it -, should not be unknown to us. For our survival, we need to understand human culture. 

	Joseph

On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Huw Lloyd wrote:


On 5 June 2012 04:56, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com> wrote:



Dear Huw:
Seems I was misunderstood. The fact that there are deaf people does not make a fly in the ointment. The culture is established by those who do 
hear, - the 99.99% -. How do you imagine/think spoken-word language
influences human world-view?
I imagine that one acquires a skill in construing, which is reflected in 
questions, that one learns an etiquette: one learns how to cultivate a
curiosity in self and others.

Greg,

Re your Montreal question, did you have any thoughts around the
distribution of appreciating different problems in the process of emerging roles? On a smaller, and perhaps simpler, scale I recall situations where 
problems had been setup for children to stumble upon, but that were
seemingly not registered by them. A difficult problem left standing would amount to... what? A conversation and vocabulary around site boundaries? 

The suggestion that  'communication is the "site and surface" of
organizations' seems productive, though I'm not taking this as
comprehensive, rather as a reference to communicational exchange. If we want to be comprehensive then I think we need to include the organisational 
behaviour within the circumference of communication.

Huw




               Joseph

On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:


They're of no consequence for those deaf to reason.  ;)

Huw

On 4 June 2012 10:53, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:


And here's about deaf-blind people:
http://www.marxists.org/**archive/meshcheryakov/**awakening/ index.htm< 
http://www.marxists.org/archive/meshcheryakov/awakening/index.htm>


Andy


Peter Smagorinsky wrote:


According to Gallaudet University (which is for deaf people),
http://research.gallaudet.edu/**Demographics/deaf-US.php<

http://research.gallaudet.edu/Demographics/deaf-US.php>

There are a number of listings of deaf people of influence, e.g.,
http://www.start-american-**

sign-language.com/famous-deaf-**people.html<
http://www.start-american-sign-language.com/famous-deaf-people.html>
http://www.op97.org/teach-**learn/documents/ **PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf< 
http://www.op97.org/teach-learn/documents/PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_deaf_people<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaf_people>

http://www.deafpeople.com/



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On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:12 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren

Peter,
What percentage of any population is deaf and what influence do they 
exert upon the world-view of their society?

              Joseph

On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:




I also wonder, what about deaf people?

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On Behalf Of Vera John-Steiner
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:54 PM
To: 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'
Subject: RE: [xmca] Francois Cooren

Hi Joseph
I wonder whether the ultimate finality of the word--"everything is 
relative to the word"--provides a too narrow, monistic view.
Euclidean geometry is rich in proofs which are presented through

visual

abstraction. These can be explained verbally but their persuasive

power is

visual.
This is an interesting though wandering discussion from toes to

Euclid.

Vera
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bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]

On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:32 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren
Nothing communicates as profoundly as vocal sounds, - motions of the human body -. Everything is named, - identified -, by sounds made by 
our
body. Our own body-emotional goings on is the currency by which all 
else is

valued. We relate to our world with our word.
Everything is reletive to the word. The "final word" on anything IS 
the

word.
The only handle we have on the meaning of our world is the effect on 
us
of the sounds of our words. We can prove nothing and can only feel our 
vocal sounds for information of how we are affected by things. It

takes
different words to communicate different information. Bear in mind 
that
words are fundamentally sounds and secondarily, referential tools. 
When we
refer to a thing, the referential tool is between ourselves and the 
thing.

We perceive and are affected by the tool - the word - first and

foremost
and then also by the thought of the referred-to thing. Subliminally, 
the

word defines the thing:
Consciously, the thing defines the word.

              Joseph Gilbert

On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:




Anyone out there know much about Francois Cooren or the Montreal

School

of Organizational Communication?
As for the former, Cooren's book Action and Agency in Dialogue asks: "What if human interactants were not the only ones to be considered, paraphrasing Austin (1962), as "doing things with words"? That is, 
what if

other "things" could also be granted the status of agents in a

dialogical

situation?"

As for the latter, the MSOC is characterized by wikipedia as:
"taking communication as the "site and surface" of organizations, 
meaning that the latter emerge from and are maintained by

communication

processes."

Both of these seem to be very important points that, I thought,
articulate well with recent XMCA conversations.

Anyone have any insight?
Perhaps a recommendation?
-greg

--
Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar Laboratory of Comparative 
Human
Cognition Department of Communication University of California, San 
Diego

http://ucsd.academia.edu/**GregoryThompson<

http://ucsd.academia.edu/GregoryThompson>

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