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Whoa!! total agreement. And I Looooove unicorns. My initial question was something like Martin's. "Tony, what does it mean (for Peirce) to be 'aware of signs AS signs." Sounds a lot like thing in itself. In my classes, i ask students if they have ever seen a unicorn. No one ventures a yes. Then I ask them, are unicorns good or bad? They mostly all raise their hands and say that they are good. Then we get into a good discussion. Sounds like I have intuited myself toward what you two are agreeing about. mike On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote: > I completely agree > > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Tony Whitson wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Martin Packer wrote: >> >> I've tried to stay out of this thread, because it's a difficult topic and >>> I'm no philosopher (though I can't seem to put their damned books down!). >>> But my 2 cents, for what they'll buy, are that one needs to begin with an >>> acknowledgement that Cs is, as I said in my last message, relational. I >>> don't mean by this that it is a relationship between mind and matter, I mean >>> that Cs is a relationship between matter and matter. I think we'd all agree >>> that Cs is a property, an aspect, only of living organisms. I completely >>> agreed with your earlier post, Andy, that Cs is not simply present or absent >>> but is a matter of degree or type. My favorite Hegel is the phenomenology, >>> which is a story about the education of Cs over time. So not all living >>> organisms have the same kind of Cs, and humans don't all have the same kind, >>> of have one kind all their lives. Cs develops. But it is always to be found >>> in interaction between organisms (material) and other material stuff. >>> >>> >> It seems to me that it might help a lot to think of consciousness not as a >> property or aspect, but as an activity. It is certainly a relational, >> material (with formal) activity, in relation to other activities in >> ourselves and in our world. >> _______________________________________________ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca