Re: [xmca] History, today, individual, action and no action

[ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>]

Thanks

2009/9/17, David Preiss <ddpreiss@me.com>:
>
> Hi Ulvi,
> If I understood well what you are looking for I could also recommend Teun
> A. van Dijk work on ideology.
> David Preiss
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 2:11 PM, ulvi icil wrote:
>
> Merci beaucoup Emily
>>
>> 2009/9/17, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu>:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ulvi,
>>> Have you looked at Wertsch's work on collective memory/ remembering and
>>> cultural narratives? I am no expert, but I found his presentation at
>>> ISCAR quite compelling and it may speak to your concerns.
>>> Another voice to consider is Hannah Arendt (The Human Condition,
>>> perhaps).
>>> Just some thoughts...
>>> ~em
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
>>> On Behalf Of ulvi icil
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:00 AM
>>> To: lchcmike@gmail.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] History, today, individual, action and no action
>>>
>>> Sorry.
>>>
>>> US Foriegn Policy was merely an example.
>>>
>>> I intended to ask the fact that human mind seems to be much more
>>> critical to
>>> similar past events than to actual current ones and I wonder what may be
>>> the
>>> reasons for this.
>>>
>>> When I compare current responses of today's people to Hiroshima and to
>>> Baghdat, it seems to me that the one for the first is quite ciritical,
>>> towards a past event whereas most of humand minds are not so much
>>> critical
>>> to that extent for the second.
>>>
>>> This brings to my mind an explanatory reason like: People are less
>>> critical
>>> to current facts which may invite them for opposing action...Past events
>>> are
>>> frozen facts, not inviting people to change them...But current ones
>>> invite
>>> them to change, to action
>>>
>>> Anyway, I will think more on this and then return back to the group
>>> later
>>> wit some better formulations of my questions...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ulvi
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/9/16, mike coole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Too abstract for me, Ulvi. Are you referring to events like discussion
>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> learning sciences or American foreign policy in the last decade? And
>>>>
>>> if the
>>>
>>>> later, hard to see connection to academic concerns of xmca, although I
>>>> could
>>>> surmise ways to tackle it.
>>>>
>>>> Past events have ready formulated narratives while the present is a
>>>> contestation of them.
>>>>
>>>> What do you have in mind?
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:55 AM, ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have one question in my mind that I look for the answer and intend
>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>
>>>> share:
>>>>>
>>>>> People seem to be more critical towards facts, actions etc in
>>>>>
>>>> history,
>>>
>>>> let's
>>>>> say, United States foreign policy...or let's say some "bad" features
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>
>>>> capitalism
>>>>>
>>>>> But the same people seem less critical towards the current ones,
>>>>>
>>>> parallel
>>>
>>>> or
>>>>> similar to the same fact...and tend to see these facts unavoidable,
>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>
>>>> facts
>>>>> to be admitted as facts etc
>>>>>
>>>>> What may be the reasons for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> May one of these the fact that, historical one is frozen and needs
>>>>>
>>>> no
>>>
>>>> change
>>>>> but if you are critical towards a current one, then you should move
>>>>>
>>>> against
>>>>
>>>>> it, you should enter into action against it...and this is the reason
>>>>>
>>>> why,
>>>
>>>> people do not criticize the current one, because they do not want to
>>>>>
>>>> act
>>>
>>>> against it...they know the fact is "bad" , they admit it, but they
>>>>>
>>>> perhaps
>>>>
>>>>> try to rationalize their position etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> (It is obvious that that inaction is not merely inaction, it means
>>>>>
>>>> also
>>>
>>>> less
>>>>> consciousness in some respects...In some respects, because "action"
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>> always filled with a better consciousness...e.g. actions of masses
>>>>>
>>>> at a
>>>
>>>> historical moment may be with or without more or les consciousness)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Ulvi
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