Re: [xmca] History, today, individual, action and no action

[ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>]

Merci beaucoup Emily

2009/9/17, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu>:
>
> Hi Ulvi,
> Have you looked at Wertsch's work on collective memory/ remembering and
> cultural narratives? I am no expert, but I found his presentation at
> ISCAR quite compelling and it may speak to your concerns.
> Another voice to consider is Hannah Arendt (The Human Condition,
> perhaps).
> Just some thoughts...
> ~em
>
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> Subject: Re: [xmca] History, today, individual, action and no action
>
> Sorry.
>
> US Foriegn Policy was merely an example.
>
> I intended to ask the fact that human mind seems to be much more
> critical to
> similar past events than to actual current ones and I wonder what may be
> the
> reasons for this.
>
> When I compare current responses of today's people to Hiroshima and to
> Baghdat, it seems to me that the one for the first is quite ciritical,
> towards a past event whereas most of humand minds are not so much
> critical
> to that extent for the second.
>
> This brings to my mind an explanatory reason like: People are less
> critical
> to current facts which may invite them for opposing action...Past events
> are
> frozen facts, not inviting people to change them...But current ones
> invite
> them to change, to action
>
> Anyway, I will think more on this and then return back to the group
> later
> wit some better formulations of my questions...
>
> Thanks
>
> Ulvi
>
>
> 2009/9/16, mike coole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Too abstract for me, Ulvi. Are you referring to events like discussion
> of
> > learning sciences or American foreign policy in the last decade? And
> if the
> > later, hard to see connection to academic concerns of xmca, although I
> > could
> > surmise ways to tackle it.
> >
> > Past events have ready formulated narratives while the present is a
> > contestation of them.
> >
> > What do you have in mind?
> >
> > mike
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:55 AM, ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have one question in my mind that I look for the answer and intend
> to
> > > share:
> > >
> > > People seem to be more critical towards facts, actions etc in
> history,
> > > let's
> > > say, United States foreign policy...or let's say some "bad" features
> of
> > > capitalism
> > >
> > > But the same people seem less critical towards the current ones,
> parallel
> > > or
> > > similar to the same fact...and tend to see these facts unavoidable,
> as
> > > facts
> > > to be admitted as facts etc
> > >
> > > What may be the reasons for this?
> > >
> > > May one of these the fact that, historical one is frozen and needs
> no
> > > change
> > > but if you are critical towards a current one, then you should move
> > against
> > > it, you should enter into action against it...and this is the reason
> why,
> > > people do not criticize the current one, because they do not want to
> act
> > > against it...they know the fact is "bad" , they admit it, but they
> > perhaps
> > > try to rationalize their position etc?
> > >
> > > (It is obvious that that inaction is not merely inaction, it means
> also
> > > less
> > > consciousness in some respects...In some respects, because "action"
> is
> > not
> > > always filled with a better consciousness...e.g. actions of masses
> at a
> > > historical moment may be with or without more or les consciousness)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Ulvi
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