Tatiana
Well done. A nice use of space and thought.
Marc
>Hi, Eugene
>
>That's a challenge. I've never done such things before, but I'll make a
>try.
>
>"We don't have the power to hear
> Our words echoing in other minds and souls, --
> And Lord gives us the gift of compassion
> As He gives His amazing Grace."
> F.I.Tyutchev
>
>Does it make any sense to an American ear?
>A French poet who translated A. Pushkin's verses once said “ To read poetry
>in translation is just the same as to contemplate the corpse of a beautiful
>woman: the body is still here but the soul has already gone”
>Russian psycholinguists like to reffer to the first lines of this poem when
>discussing the theory of word meaning.
>
>And thank you, Eugene, for pleasant moments I had translating the poem and
>for helping me to break my silence.
>
>
>Tatiana
>
>----------
>> От: Eugene Matusov <ematusov@udel.edu>
>> Кому: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> Тема: RE: Rules not to call me a dummy
>> Дата: 25 февраля 2000 г. 18:45
>>
>> Hi Tatyana and everybody--
>>
>> You asked
>> > P.S. Eugene, would you mind such a variant " We can't foresee how our
>word
>> > will echo in your souls"?
>>
>> Sure -- I like it alot! Can you provide the entire poem in English,
>please,
>> so other xmca-ers can appreciate? As Rachel correctly pointed out, it is
>> Tutchev's poem (below the poem in Russian fonts),
>>
>> ??? ?? ???? ???????????,
>> ??? ???? ????? ?????????,--
>> ? ??? ?????????? ??????,
>> ??? ??? ?????? ?????????....
>>
>> 27 ??????? 1869.
>>
>> Tatyana wrote,
>> > I once read somewhere, that it is impossible to hurt somebody until
>s/he
>> > wants to be hurt. It's kind of exaggeration, of couse,still...
>>
>> I think that although it may be true in some (I'd say very rare)
>> circumstances but it can be a very dangerous statement blaming a victim
>of
>> violence for inviting/provoking the violence.
>>
>> >I would
>> > never believe that people gathered om XMCA-list wanted deliberatly hurt
>or
>> > offend somebody.
>>
>> Me neither. However, sometimes some considerations in debates can take
>over
>> concerns about other people well-being. For example, to win an
>intellectual
>> argument, I may cross line of respectful disagreement with my opponent by
>> mocking his/her point or making some inappropriate personal remarks.
>> Academic (and non-academic) debate such an interesting and strange
>> discourse. Sometimes it implies that truth and happiness will come to the
>> Earth if only people with whom I disagree (and, thus, who are obviously
>> wrong or even evil :-) disappear. There is nothing far from the truth as
>we
>> now know from the history of totalitarian regimes.
>>
>> >Friendly teasing is a way to provoke further discussion
>> > and sometimes even rudeness is meant to attract attention.
>>
>> Sure. What is allowed among friends is not allowed among strangers (or
>just
>> non-friends). One Russian (i.e., Russian-Russian) colleague of mine (as a
>> Russian Jew) complained that he was called Anti-Semite for telling a joke
>> about Jews that he overheard in a company of Russian Jews. Many black
>people
>> in US use n... word but would strongly object non-black people using it
>> (unless they are very close friends, probably).
>>
>> >One should only
>> > believe that it was not aimed at him/her personally and s/he won't feel
>> > offended.
>>
>> I wish it always worked...
>>
>> >And I know that scientists and teachers are very vulnerable
>> > people.
>>
>> Some time ago, Dianne made a sad joke (maybe it was not a joke?!) that
>all
>> academicians are dysfunctional in their/our own way. My first reaction
>was a
>> strong protest but after careful observation on myself and ... Oh yes,
>we
>> are vulnerable (Dianne, I like better the word "vulnerable" than
>> "dysfunctional :-)
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Eugene
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sazonova [mailto:sazon@kursknet.ru]
>> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 12:58 AM
>> > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> > Subject: Re: Rules not to call me a dummy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Eugene Matusov wrote:
>> >
>> > > However, I do not believe that rules prevent from hurting
>> > others and from
>> > > being hurt. Moreover, there is no way for me to make sure that my
>> > postings
>> > > won't hurt somebody.
>> >
>> > I once read somewhere, that it is impossible to hurt somebody untill
>s/he
>> > wants to be hurt. It's kind of exaggeration, of couse,still... I would
>> > never believe that people gathered om XMCA-list wanted deliberatly hurt
>or
>> > offend somebody. Friendly teasing is a way to provoke further
>discussion
>> > and sometimes even rudeness is meant to attract attention. One should
>only
>> > believe that it was not aimed at him/her personnaly and s/he won't feel
>> > offended. And I know that scientists and teachers are very vulnerable
>> > people.
>> >
>> > Tatiana Sazonova
>> >
>> >
>> > P.S. Eugene, would you mind such a variant " We can't foresee how our
>word
>> > will echo in your souls"?
>> >
>> >
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