[Xmca-l] Re: anachronism

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"Fish out of water"?

On 17/09/2018 10:41, Huw Lloyd wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I think you mean "from a different culture" rather than "out(side) of 
> a culture". So anachronism refer in this context to an utterance that 
> is from a different time (and culture) applied to the contemporary. So 
> I think the sense that you are looking for is "projection", or 
> "cultural projection".
>
> Huw
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 at 06:33, Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org 
> <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
>     Yes, I mean it in the sense Boas meant when he first used it in
>     the plural - "cultures".
>
>     I liked Helena's observation, of all the words we have for people
>     who don't belong to the relevant culture, but I mean a word to
>     describe ideas, claims, beliefs which are "blind" to the
>     incongruity of the idea with the relevant cultural context. This
>     is often a kind of anachronism, but not always. The lack of a word
>     arose in a controversy here in Oz when US cultural norms were used
>     to judge an action in an Oz cultural context. ... That drew my
>     attention to the lack of a word, but I don't want to discuss the
>     issue itself on this list.
>
>     Andy
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Andy Blunden
>     http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>     On 16/09/2018 3:21 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
>>     Andy,
>>     Yes, it might depend on what you mean by "culture". No need to
>>     get into the battles over the word as anthropology has over the
>>     past 30 years but it would be worth knowing what you mean.
>>
>>     For example, David's reference to Vygotsky's very fashionable
>>     (yes, at that time...) term "primitive" relies on a rather old
>>     fashioned meaning of culture as "refinement" and "development."
>>     Thus E. B. Tylor's title Primitive Culture was anachronistic (in
>>     the sense of an idea before its time) because, on this common
>>     understanding of these terms, "primitive culture" was an oxymoron.
>>
>>     I assume that you mean culture in the sense that anthropologists
>>     use it today (or, I should say, as they used to use it not so
>>     long ago). Is that right?
>>
>>     -greg
>>
>>     On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 8:40 PM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org
>>     <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Everyone knows what "anachronism" means. "Out of time" so to
>>         speak.
>>
>>         Is there a word for "out of culture"?
>>
>>         Andy
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         Andy Blunden
>>         http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>     Assistant Professor
>>     Department of Anthropology
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>>     Brigham Young University
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