[Xmca-l] Re: anachronism

[Andy Blunden]

Nice one, Rob, a ever. But that is an explanation for a
cultural faux pas, not the act itself. A fish out of water
can still behave correctly,

andy

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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 17/09/2018 7:58 PM, robsub@ariadne.org.uk wrote:
> "Fish out of water"?
>
> On 17/09/2018 10:41, Huw Lloyd wrote:
>> Andy,
>>
>> I think you mean "from a different culture" rather than
>> "out(side) of a culture". So anachronism refer in this
>> context to an utterance that is from a different time
>> (and culture) applied to the contemporary. So I think the
>> sense that you are looking for is "projection", or
>> "cultural projection".
>>
>> Huw
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 at 06:33, Andy Blunden
>> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yes, I mean it in the sense Boas meant when he first
>>     used it in the plural - "cultures".
>>
>>     I liked Helena's observation, of all the words we
>>     have for people who don't belong to the relevant
>>     culture, but I mean a word to describe ideas, claims,
>>     beliefs which are "blind" to the incongruity of the
>>     idea with the relevant cultural context. This is
>>     often a kind of anachronism, but not always. The lack
>>     of a word arose in a controversy here in Oz when US
>>     cultural norms were used to judge an action in an Oz
>>     cultural context. ... That drew my attention to the
>>     lack of a word, but I don't want to discuss the issue
>>     itself on this list.
>>
>>     Andy
>>
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>>     Andy Blunden
>>     http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>     On 16/09/2018 3:21 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
>>>     Andy,
>>>     Yes, it might depend on what you mean by "culture".
>>>     No need to get into the battles over the word as
>>>     anthropology has over the past 30 years but it would
>>>     be worth knowing what you mean. 
>>>
>>>     For example, David's reference to Vygotsky's very
>>>     fashionable (yes, at that time...) term "primitive"
>>>     relies on a rather old fashioned meaning of culture
>>>     as "refinement" and "development." Thus E. B.
>>>     Tylor's title Primitive Culture was anachronistic
>>>     (in the sense of an idea before its time) because,
>>>     on this common understanding of these terms,
>>>     "primitive culture" was an oxymoron. 
>>>
>>>     I assume that you mean culture in the sense that
>>>     anthropologists use it today (or, I should say, as
>>>     they used to use it not so long ago). Is that right?
>>>
>>>     -greg
>>>
>>>     On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 8:40 PM Andy Blunden
>>>     <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Everyone knows what "anachronism" means. "Out of
>>>         time" so to speak.
>>>
>>>         Is there a word for "out of culture"?
>>>
>>>         Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>         Andy Blunden
>>>         http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
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>>>     Department of Anthropology
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>>
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