Re: [xmca] RE: Questions for ISCAR

From: Ed Wall (
Date: Sun Sep 11 2005 - 16:06:33 PDT


     I was thinking among other things having to do with COP of Lave's
Cognition in Practice (1988, Cambridge University Press). However,
Mike mentioned a quite interesting article:

>For an early treatment of some of the issues raised by Ana and their
>connection to anthropology and issues of transfer, check out
> . This is an LCHC article that
>Jean Lave and many others were the authors of and the issue of links
>between activities as well as what is carried from one activity to
>another, by whom, is addressed.


>Your question puts my issue in a somewhat different perspective, one
>that I have not worked on a lot, but it certainly seems relevant.
>COP - Community Of Practice - the way I interpret it to connect it
>with the Activity Theory Model, deals mostly with the "division of
>labor" (roles) -- and that is, of course,connected to the "rules"
>part of the model. So if you have one division of labor in one
>activity, which is also based on some stated and unstated rules,
>conventions and expectations, then, my question is, how another
>activity in which the rules and division of labor are different,
>interacts with the first one? Does it interact? Can it interact? and
>I have not read Jean Lave's work on transfer. Could you send a reference?
>Ed Wall wrote:
>> There are many ways in which I am somewhat on the border in many
>>of these conversations. As I read what Ana wrote what came to mind
>>was some of the work Jean Lave did on the notion of transfer
>>(within a social and anthropological context). I was wondering how
>>Ana's questions, if they even do, interface with that body of work.
>>Thus, it is quite possible I was asking about interfacing between
>>ch/at and COP (I don't know what COP is - smile - although I
>>presume it has something to do with social anthropology). I am sure
>>there is a different emphasis, but the phenomena sound somewhat the
>>same. What you say about Vrjo sounds interesting. Are those some
>>relevant papers at xcma?
>>>Ed-- I interpret Ana's questionS to involve the issue of transfer and
>>>relations between
>>>activities and partipants involvement in those relational connections.
>>>This also connects with Yrjo's characterization of 3rd generation ch/at
>>>research that
>>>focuses on connections between activity systems.
>>>Maybe your question could also be interpreted as a request to clarify the
>>>relations between ch/at
>>>and COP approaches to knowledge acquisition and transfer??
>>>On 9/11/05, Ed Wall <> wrote:
>>>> How does your question interface with the work of Jean Lave and
>>>> colleagues? A refinement?
>>>> Ed Wall
>>>> >I thought this question went to the whole list, but it ended just in
>>>> >Mike's box. Here it is again:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > My question is the interaction between different activities: what can be
>>>> > "taken" from one activity to another? (Old question of the universals)
>>>> > Also: what can be created only in a combination of several activities.
>>>> > This is what I mean: we all participate in more than one activity all
>>>> > the time. Is it possible to learn something in one activity and then use
>>>> > it in another? In other words: what does it mean to "transport" a
>>>> > way of
>>>> > acting, behaving, or thinking from one activity to another?
>>>> > And - what is a product only of participating in a certain
>>>> > combination of activities at the same time?
>>>> >
>>>> > In my workshop in Sevilla I will explore interaction between the
>>>> > "imaginary" and the "real" -- passing through in and out, and the
>>>> > relationships between the two -- and what are the outcomes of this
>>>> > relationship.
>>>> >
>>>> > See you in Sevilla
>>>> > Ana
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike Cole wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > You have a question about ch/at you might want answered during
>>>> > your trip??
>>>> > > A shame Helena could not come, and odd about that symposium. Odd
>>>> > about
>>>> > > the whole
>>>> > > setup!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > See you in Sevilla.
>>>> > > mike
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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