RE: [xmca] Reminder/Re-Invite: Ilyenkov Discussion Group

From: Kristen R. Clark (
Date: Wed Jul 20 2005 - 09:20:13 PDT

Hi Oudeyis - My apologies for the registration not working. I will
nevertheless send you a direct yahoo invite to see if it smoothes the
process. Please ignore the invite if you feel it isn't worth the fuss.

Kindest regards.




From: []
On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [xmca] Reminder/Re-Invite: Ilyenkov Discussion Group


Mr. Clark,

Regret to write that my efforts to participate in the discussion group
were frustrated by Yahoo registration bureaucracy.

Perhaps some other time under different conditions.


        ----- Original Message -----

        From: Kristen R. Clark <>


        Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:02

        Subject: [xmca] Reminder/Re-Invite: Ilyenkov Discussion Group


        Dear XMCA-ers: Just wanted to re-invite everyone to the
Ilyenkov discussion group that just started this week. I have pasted
the details below. I think you will all find that the reading
obligation is very manageable (for example, this week only involves 3
pages of reading). We welcome lurkers and those new to Ilyenkov.


        We have formed a great group so far and look forward to wider


        Best wishes.







        From: Kristen R. Clark
        Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:46 PM
        To: 'eXtended Media, Culture, Activity'
        Subject: Ilyenkov Discussion Group: 7/11-9/11


        Dear XMCA-ers - All are invited to join a book discussion
seminar on Chapter Five of Evald Ilyenkov's "Dialectics of the Abstract
and the Concrete in Marx's Capital". We are especially pleased that
Peter Moxhay will be our seminar facilitator. Peter is a translator of
Ilyenkov and Davydov and currently directs a pilot math program in the
Portland, Maine school system using Davydov-Elkonin teaching methods.
Some xmca'ers may remember Peter from the 2003 on-line xmca course on
CHAT, which he actively participated in, and facilitated the component
on Davydov.

        WHEN: The discussion group will commence on Monday July 11 and
last through Sun Sept 11.
        WHAT: The chapter we are studying, called "The Method of the
Ascent from the Abstract to the Concrete in Marx's Capital," is divided
into eight parts for discussion over a nine week period.
        JOIN THE LIST: The discussion list, "xbdg," is located at
        To join xbdg, one must sign up for a user ID on Yahoo. Yahoo
ID's are free and require no commitments. Just go to the above Yahoo
group and click on "join this group." If you need an ID, click on
"Don't Have a Yahoo ID?" and fill in the blanks Yahoo asks for. When
signing up for the group, under "preferences", you may choose to have
all posts to and from xbdg interact directly with your regular e-mail.
        <> SYLLABUS: The syllabus for
Chapter Five is attached below as both a Word and an Adobe file. It is
also available on xbdg under "files." Also on xbdg, under "links," are
located urls to the on-line version of the reading material, which is
divided into four sections. The entire book is located at
        PURPOSE: The purpose of this on-line seminar is to focus
in-depth on what Ilyenkov is saying and how people interpret it. Other
more general discussions may well spin off from there. We encourage
such discussions to spill back to xmca: "an interesting point came up on
xbdg, here is a thought I had ..." etc. may well spur new threads on
xmca. We see xbdg as a kind of adjunct to xmca, where xmca'ers can
focus on a particular reading and discuss it at length and in depth.
All other discussions still belong on xmca as before. At the same time,
especially lengthy individual posts are not encouraged on xbdg, in an
effort to keep the discussion more like a seminar, where many
participate. Lurking is permitted.
        Please join us in our study of this chapter by Ilyenkov (and
warmest regards).


        - Kristen Clark, xbdg moderator
        - Steve Gabosch, assistant moderator









        Kristen Radsliff Clark

        Doctoral Candidate

        LCHC and Department of Communication

        University of California, San Diego



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