[Xmca-l] Some more feelgood but illuminating videos

[Bronwyn Parkin]

Thank you for the transcript David. It’s the ‘semanticised perception’ that I find fascinating: the tricky bits in the skiing process that have to be brought to consciousness and vocalised because they’re not solidly internalised yet. It’s probably pedantic but I’m not so convinced that the two utterances with missing subjects h) and i) are issues of memory. Self-talk doesn’t require her to vocalise the subject: maybe the ‘I’m’ is ellipsed because it’s unnecessary.

 

A group of colleagues, who call ourselves the ‘Vygotsky Nerds’ collect Youtube clips of young children’s talk, particularly in the early stages of development where they are clearly imitating. We need to do this in the world of Western education where any notion of ‘imitation’ is regarded as mindless and dangerous parroting or regurgitating, and because somehow many teachers we work with don’t understand learning as cultural. Here are a couple:

 

Here's a lovely example of prosody leading articulation:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IaNR8YGdow__;!!Mih3wA!SikT6_qdkZeCdyPQZP80z7-wbiP-40cr2mpuI7sw6w53lep1_FtjtsbG_e_5vAmN3jKGCw$ 

 

I love this example of activity apprenticeship:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-fNzwo1iMA__;!!Mih3wA!SikT6_qdkZeCdyPQZP80z7-wbiP-40cr2mpuI7sw6w53lep1_FtjtsbG_e_5vAmdA4_e6w$ 

 

From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> On Behalf Of David Kellogg
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Language, thought, and Action in the Three Year Old

 

Here's the language I got from the clip. 

 

(Do you like going slow or fast?)

a) “Fast”

b) “Bye, Daddy!”

c) “Bye”

d) “I’m making my lines.” (While making tracks in the snow.)

e) “I love going around that root.”

f) “Oh!”

g) “Ice.”

h) “Going over you, Ice.”

i) “Going around you, Ice.”

j) “Hi, One-eyed Monster.”

k) (hmmming) “Ha!” “yo, yo, yo---Hi yi yi yi yi”

(Do you wanna go do hoops?)

l) “yeah”

(sidestepping)

m) “Like the boys”

(Are you okay?)

n) “yeah”

(What?)

o) “I’m okay.”

(Yeah, I know you’re okay.)

 

Vygotsky mostly talks about negation at three, but there are no negatives in this data. But Vygotsky also talks about semanticized perception, which we do see a lot of (d, e, g, h, i, j). As Mike says there are a lot of other developments which are more characteristic of speech development in the next zone of development (early childhood, where speech is the central neoformation). Halliday would note three:

 

Phonologically--a strong preference for very closed vowels (/i/) and very open consonants (/h/ and /j/). So the idea of articulation as differentiated into vowels and consonants is not there yet, although the mastery of prosody (intonation and stress) is quite perfect. Score one for Halliday's theory that prosody leads articulation and ot the other way around.

 

Grammatically, you can see that there are no indicative-declarative sentences that do not have the child herself as subject (d, e, and o). There are also two instances of declaratives which have a second person complement but no first person subject (h, i). The language in her environment is probably the other way around--most sentences are indicative-declaratives without first person subjects. That is true of all the language directed to the child in this clip and it's true of language quite generally. Score one for Halliday's assertion that memory does not allow children to repeat verbatim what they hear and forces non-volitional creativity in every turn. 

 

Semantically, you can see that almost all the utterances are emotionally motivated. Only o), is an indicative-declarative which communicates unknown information. Halliday says that zone of proximal development in children of this age is mastering the idea that language can be used to tell people things they didn't actually know. You can see how the dialogue surrounding "I"m okay" might make this function late emerging--the poor flustered parent asks if the child is okay TWICE and then tells her that he knows the answer anyway! We learn about communication in spite and not because of our parents....

 

(That was pretty much how I skied when I was three years old, except we didn't have fancy gear or crash helmets, and we had to learn to use a rope tow....)

 

David Kellogg

Sangmyung University

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New Article with Song Seon-mi in Early Years: 

 

Un-naming names: Using Vygotsky’s language games and Halliday’s grammar to study how children learn how names are made and unmade

 

Some free e-prints available at:

 

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/2C9HCKGJEYNVEKUGHYKV/full?target=10.1080*09575146.2020.1853682__;Lw!!Mih3wA!SikT6_qdkZeCdyPQZP80z7-wbiP-40cr2mpuI7sw6w53lep1_FtjtsbG_e_5vAmv_93UEA$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.tandfonline.com/eprint/2C9HCKGJEYNVEKUGHYKV/full?target=10.1080*09575146.2020.1853682__;Lw!!Mih3wA!U9THGY4CwdbvkdiB8ONgh_ZytKqgdPVdNOwTupe39d1iSQfdhUwhoTRuPebu6FCzkf6pKQ$> 

 

New book forthcoming in 2021:

 

L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works, Vol. II: The Problem of Age.

Translated with Prefatory Notes and Outlines by Nikolai Veresov and David Kellogg

 

 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 10:10 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com <mailto:anthonymbarra@gmail.com> > wrote:

Fantastic!  Thanks for sharing, Mike.

 

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:20 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu> > wrote:

The video of a 3 year old on the ski slope (below) seems worth sharing in light of the broad interest here on developmental processes

at this point in the lifespan. 

CNN is a commercial venture, so there is an ad at the beginning. I believe its worth the wait, apologies if it is not.

 

 

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mike

 

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