[Xmca-l] Re: anachronism

[Andy Blunden]

Yes, that's right, Huw, so "solecism" and "wild" mean
"un-cultured," not "other-cultured." Of course, the
unsophisticated native easily mistakes the other-cultured as
being un-cultured.

"Cultural faux pas" actually carries the implication that
the relevant act belongs to another culture. So it is the
right term, except it requires 3 words, two of them French,
so it is in a sense itself a cultural faux pas. But
non-self-referential words are a problem.

Andy

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Andy Blunden
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On 17/09/2018 7:41 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I think you mean "from a different culture" rather than
> "out(side) of a culture". So anachronism refer in this
> context to an utterance that is from a different time (and
> culture) applied to the contemporary. So I think the sense
> that you are looking for is "projection", or "cultural
> projection".
>
> Huw
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 at 06:33, Andy Blunden
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
>     Yes, I mean it in the sense Boas meant when he first
>     used it in the plural - "cultures".
>
>     I liked Helena's observation, of all the words we have
>     for people who don't belong to the relevant culture,
>     but I mean a word to describe ideas, claims, beliefs
>     which are "blind" to the incongruity of the idea with
>     the relevant cultural context. This is often a kind of
>     anachronism, but not always. The lack of a word arose
>     in a controversy here in Oz when US cultural norms
>     were used to judge an action in an Oz cultural
>     context. ... That drew my attention to the lack of a
>     word, but I don't want to discuss the issue itself on
>     this list.
>
>     Andy
>
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>     Andy Blunden
>     http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>     On 16/09/2018 3:21 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
>>     Andy,
>>     Yes, it might depend on what you mean by "culture".
>>     No need to get into the battles over the word as
>>     anthropology has over the past 30 years but it would
>>     be worth knowing what you mean. 
>>
>>     For example, David's reference to Vygotsky's very
>>     fashionable (yes, at that time...) term "primitive"
>>     relies on a rather old fashioned meaning of culture
>>     as "refinement" and "development." Thus E. B. Tylor's
>>     title Primitive Culture was anachronistic (in the
>>     sense of an idea before its time) because, on this
>>     common understanding of these terms, "primitive
>>     culture" was an oxymoron. 
>>
>>     I assume that you mean culture in the sense that
>>     anthropologists use it today (or, I should say, as
>>     they used to use it not so long ago). Is that right?
>>
>>     -greg
>>
>>     On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 8:40 PM Andy Blunden
>>     <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Everyone knows what "anachronism" means. "Out of
>>         time" so to speak.
>>
>>         Is there a word for "out of culture"?
>>
>>         Andy
>>
>>
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>>         Andy Blunden
>>         http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
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>>     Department of Anthropology
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