[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Re: What is science?: Where to start doctoral students?
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Fri Nov 2 20:17:28 PDT 2018
I think it would be more true to say that in Marx's day
"Ontology" was only used in the non-countable form; the
countable (i.e. plural) form of "Ontology" is a product I
think of the second half of the 20th Century. Martin? can
you pinpoint it? I think that Marx agreed with Hegel's
reduction of Ontology to Logic, though he also had
differences over Hegel's formulation of it - the famous
"Method of Political Economy" passage which CHAT people like
to quote, explains it. Hegel's "Ontology" (/Die Lehre vom
Sein/) is usually translated into English as "The Doctrine
of Being." Hegel's reduction of Ontology to Logic is
explained in the Preface to the /Phenomenology/, already
mentioned, and implemented in the first book of the Logic.
Andy
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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 3/11/2018 3:28 AM, Greg Thompson wrote:
> I sent the following message off-line to Beth. I'll send
> it here without the attachments just in case someone is
> watching...
> They should be publicly accessible.
> (and funny that Wagner also happened across the same book
> that I did, behold the power of Google!).
>
> Wagner, simple story with ontology, in anthropology at
> least, is that it has been pluralized so that people now
> speak of different ontologies. Science is just one of
> them. In many ways this is anti-Marxist since Marx
> imagined just one ontology (and science was going to get
> to the bottom of it!), but I'd like to think that this
> move isn't entirely irreconcilable with all readings of Marx.
>
> -greg
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Greg Thompson* <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
> <mailto:greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>>
> Date: Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: What is science?: Where to start
> doctoral students?
> To: Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com
> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>
>
> Beth,
>
> This may be more than you bargained for but Latour has
> been doing some interesting thinking/writing on this
> issue, reported secondarily here:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/magazine/bruno-latour-post-truth-philosopher-science.html
>
> I have also attached his essay Why has critique run out of
> steam? (as well as the intro from Pandora's Hope "Do you
> believe in reality?") which was an early articulation of
> this particular (re)articulation of his position.
>
> Goodwin's Professional Vision also comes to mind (also
> attached).
>
> And for kicks, I just googled your question and found this
> book that really seems to be a very smart approach:
> https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=s13tBAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=what+is+science%3F&ots=hG7y6xF0gy&sig=DNMs__6vnoZUvXbOelWC8DcL4ns#v=onepage&q=what%20is%20science%3F&f=false
>
> I was thinking of "rigorous storytelling" as one answer to
> your question. I googled and found that I've already been
> outdone - Susan Porter has "triple-rigorous storytelling"
> based on her work with food justice. Might be of interest
> depending on your students' projects:
> https://www.foodsystemsjournal.org/index.php/fsj/article/view/fd-triple
>
> Best of luck!
> -greg
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:33 AM Beth Ferholt
> <bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Great. Kuhn and Thinking and Speech are two of the few
> things on my list already and I’ll start reading the
> other two, sensible or no, now! Thanks so much, Beth
>
> On Thursday, November 1, 2018, Andy Blunden
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
> Beth, much as a part of me would like to recommend
> the Preface to Hegel's Phenomenology, being
> sensible I would still recommend:
>
> 1. The first chapter of Thinking and Speech
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/words/ch01.htm
> 2. Marx's Method of Political Economy
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch01.htm#loc3
> 3. And they should read Thomas Kuhn's Structure
> of Scientific Revolutions
> https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/kuhn.htm
>
> Who knows? You might be fostering an original thinker?
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 1/11/2018 11:43 PM, Beth Ferholt wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:09 AM Beth Ferholt
>> <bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm starting to take the role of
>> advisor on doctoral dissertations
>> and wonder how best to begin to
>> discuss "what is science?" with
>> students who will need to respond
>> concisely when asked about the
>> rigor and reliability of their
>> formative intervention, narrative
>> and/or autobiographical studies.
>>
>> I'm looking for an overview or
>> paper that does more than argue
>> the value of one approach --
>> something to start them off
>> thinking about the issues, not
>> immerse them in one perspective
>> quite yet.
>>
>> If not an overview then maybe a
>> paper that contextualizes "rigor"
>> and "reliability".
>>
>> Obviously this is an endless
>> topic but do some people reading
>> XMCA have some favorite papers
>> that they give to their advisees
>> or use when they teach a methods
>> class?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Beth
>> --
>> Beth Ferholt
>> Associate Professor, Department
>> of Early Childhood and Art
>> Education;
>> Affiliated Faculty, CUNY Graduate
>> Center
>> Brooklyn College, City University
>> of New York
>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2900+Bedford+Avenue+Brooklyn,+NY+11210&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Brooklyn, NY 11210
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2900+Bedford+Avenue+Brooklyn,+NY+11210&entry=gmail&source=g>-2889
>>
>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
>> Fax: (718) 951-4816
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Beth Ferholt
> Associate Professor, Department of Early Childhood and
> Art Education;
> Affiliated Faculty, CUNY Graduate Center
> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
> 2900 Bedford Avenue
> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
>
> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
> Phone: (718) 951-5205
> Fax: (718) 951-4816
>
>
>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
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>
>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
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