[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Re: What is science?: Where to start doctoral students?

Fri Nov 2 09:34:55 PDT 2018

Thanks a lot Greg, those references will be useful for me also.

Wagner

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:31 PM Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I sent the following message off-line to Beth. I'll send it here without
> the attachments just in case someone is watching...
> They should be publicly accessible.
> (and funny that Wagner also happened across the same book that I did,
> behold the power of Google!).
>
> Wagner, simple story with ontology, in anthropology at least, is that it
> has been pluralized so that people now speak of different ontologies.
> Science is just one of them. In many ways this is anti-Marxist since Marx
> imagined just one ontology (and science was going to get to the bottom of
> it!), but I'd like to think that this move isn't entirely irreconcilable
> with all readings of Marx.
>
> -greg
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: What is science?: Where to start doctoral
> students?
> To: Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
>
> Beth,
>
> This may be more than you bargained for but Latour has been doing some
> interesting thinking/writing on this issue, reported secondarily here:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/magazine/bruno-latour-post-truth-philosopher-science.html
>
> I have also attached his essay Why has critique run out of steam? (as well
> as the intro from Pandora's Hope "Do you believe in reality?") which was an
> early articulation of this particular (re)articulation of his position.
>
> Goodwin's Professional Vision also comes to mind (also attached).
>
> And for kicks, I just googled your question and found this book that
> really seems to be a very smart approach:
>
> https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=s13tBAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=what+is+science%3F&ots=hG7y6xF0gy&sig=DNMs__6vnoZUvXbOelWC8DcL4ns#v=onepage&q=what%20is%20science%3F&f=false
>
> I was thinking of "rigorous storytelling" as one answer to your question.
> I googled and found that I've already been outdone - Susan Porter has
> "triple-rigorous storytelling" based on her work with food justice. Might
> be of interest depending on your students' projects:
> https://www.foodsystemsjournal.org/index.php/fsj/article/view/fd-triple
>
> Best of luck!
> -greg
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:33 AM Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Great. Kuhn and Thinking and Speech are two of the few things on my list
>> already and I’ll start reading the other two, sensible or no, now! Thanks
>> so much, Beth
>>
>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018, Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Beth, much as a part of me would like to recommend the Preface to
>>> Hegel's Phenomenology, being sensible I would still recommend:
>>>
>>>    1. The first chapter of Thinking and Speech
>>>    https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/words/ch01.htm
>>>    2. Marx's Method of Political Economy
>>>    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch01.htm#loc3
>>>    3. And they should read Thomas Kuhn's Structure of Scientific
>>>    Revolutions
>>>
>>>    https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/kuhn.htm
>>>
>>> Who knows? You might be fostering an original thinker?
>>> Andy
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Andy Blunden
>>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>> On 1/11/2018 11:43 PM, Beth Ferholt wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:09 AM Beth Ferholt < <bferholt@gmail.com>
>>> bferholt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm starting to take the role of advisor on doctoral dissertations and
>>>>>>> wonder how best to begin to discuss "what is science?" with students who
>>>>>>> will need to respond concisely when asked about the rigor and reliability
>>>>>>> of their formative intervention, narrative and/or autobiographical studies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking for an overview or paper that does more than argue the
>>>>>>> value of one approach -- something to start them off thinking about the
>>>>>>> issues, not immerse them in one perspective quite yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not an overview then maybe a paper that contextualizes "rigor"
>>>>>>> and "reliability".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously this is an endless topic but do some people reading XMCA
>>>>>>> have some favorite papers that they give to their advisees or use when they
>>>>>>> teach a methods class?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Beth Ferholt
>>>>>>> Associate Professor, Department of Early Childhood and Art
>>>>>>> Education;
>>>>>>> Affiliated Faculty, CUNY Graduate Center
>>>>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
>>>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
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>>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Beth Ferholt
>> Associate Professor, Department of Early Childhood and Art Education;
>> Affiliated Faculty, CUNY Graduate Center
>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
>>
>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
>> Fax: (718) 951-4816
>>
>>
>
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>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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