[Xmca-l] Re: The Social and the Semiotic
Andy Blunden
ablunden@mira.net
Wed Jun 28 19:35:10 PDT 2017
It's an excellent essay, worth a read for anyone interested
in CHAT. Taylor puts the thesis which I agree with, that the
substance of Hegel's philosophy and the subject matter of
his logic is human activity. This has always been the basis
for my linking of Hegel, Marx and Vygotsky and Activity
Theory. Robert Pippin's chapter in the same book is even
better actually.
And yes, Greg, Hegel would say "The Divine". That is not
Taylor's own idea, it is Hegel's. The point that we 21st
century readers have to keep in mind is that it is not a
question of whether God exists but what is the nature of
God. For example, as is well known, I think, Spinoza
believed that God was Nature and all its attributes and
substances including human life. Later readers interpreted
Spinoza's conception of God as monistic materialism. And it
is the same with Hegel.
Andy
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Andy Blunden
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On 29/06/2017 4:06 AM, Greg Thompson wrote:
> Andy et al,
> Found this description of the key point of Taylor's essay.
> Seems very relevant. Here is a snippet of that summary:
>
> "Taylor maintains that the causal theory of action is
> inherently atomist, while the qualitative theory
> comprehends and includes actions that are irreducibly
> collective, in short/ours/, that cannot be reduced to or
> analyzed as a collection of actions that are/mine/.
> Finally, Taylor observes that for Hegel there is a crucial
> level of activity which is not only more than individual,
> but more than merely human. Some of what we do we can
> understand more deeply as the action of spirit through us.
> Thus we have to transcend our ordinary self-understanding.
> To the extent that our common-sense view of ourselves is
> atomist, we have to make two transpositions or
> decenterings: in the first we come to understand that some
> of our actions are those of communities; in the second we
> see that some are the work of spirit. The latter includes
> the individual, his community, and their relation to the
> divine."
>
> Andy, would Hegel use the term "the divine" or is this
> Taylor's (or this author's) term for something like
> Hegel's "Universal"?
>
> Full summary is here: http://ndpr.nd.edu/news/hegel-on-action/
>
> -greg
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Andy Blunden
> <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>
> I'm actually reading it in hard copy, James!
>
> It is a reprint of an article written in 1983 called
> "Hegel and the Philosophy of Action," and it is
> included in the volume "Hegel on Action" ed. Arto
> Laitinen and C. Sandis published by Palgrave Macmillan
> in 2010.
>
> Andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>
>
> On 29/06/2017 1:47 AM, James Ma wrote:
>
> Could you forward the article to me, Andy?
> Thanks, James
>
> 2017年6月28日 下午4:37，"Andy Blunden"
> <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>写道：
>
> I have just been reading an article by Charles
> Taylor
> in which he refers to theories (plural) of signs
> formulated by Enlightenment philosophers,
> mentioning
> Condillac in particular. It never occurred to
> me that
> semiotics stretched back to the 18th century. I
> thought that Peirce invented it! Something new
> every day.
>
> andy
>
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>
>
> <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>>
>
> On 29/06/2017 1:19 AM, HENRY SHONERD wrote:
>
> Here is a link to a text for which I find no
> author, but I found it enlightening in the
> context
> of the chat with constant collaborative
> efforts to
> determine what we mean when we communicate and
> how, despite the dialog’s endlessness, gets us
> somewhere because we collaborate and how we
> collaborate. If this short text is of any
> use to
> the subject line, please let me know.
>
> http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html
> <http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html>
> <http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html
> <http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html>>
> <http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html
> <http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html>
> <http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html
> <http://courses.logos.it/EN/2_20.html>>>
>
> Henry
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 8:24 PM, Andy Blunden
> <ablunden@mira.net
> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>
> wrote:
>
> Eco's "unlimited semiosis"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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