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Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
Larry,
Could you share the link with all of us?
-greg
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wagner,
> Your question about who are the scholars who are exploring neo-Piagetian
> approaches at SFU.
> Jeremy Carpendale at SFU and Ulrich Müller at the University of Victoria
> both wrote articles in "The Cambridge Companion to Piaget." They are
> exploring the social mind within neo-Piagetian theory and creating a
> dialogue between Vygotsky and Piaget.
>
> The third person who is centrally referenced as guiding Carpendale and
> Müller in their neo-Piagetian approaches is Wittgenstein. They are
> attempting to build bridges.
>
> To bring the conversation back to Luria, Andy has uploaded the vimeo
> presentation of Mike Cole interviewing Jerome Bruner and Oliver Sacks as
> they share memories of the profound impact Luria had on their development.
> The interview is fascinating. Jerome Bruner's reflections comparing Piaget
> and Luria give an intimate sense of who Luria was as a person. There is a
> section where Bruner shares his memories of how Luria understood Piaget's
> project.
>
> These personal reflections of Jerome Bruner and Oliver Sacks and Mike Cole
> in dialogue I experienced as a romantic interlude.
> Larry
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Wagner Luiz Schmit <
> wagner.schmit@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Thank you Michael,
> >
> > Indeed her work is very interesting, I will go after it! Thank you.
> >
> > Wagner
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:05 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, Wagner. It continued in Luria. It exists in its own way today in
> > > Brazil, if I am not mistaken in the work of Lucia Braga of the SARAH
> > > network's work on rehabilitation of children with perinatal and
> acquired
> > > brain damage.
> > >
> > > Luria's book,The Working Brain, is an interesting late summary of this
> > > approach to the use of the notion of psychological systems.
> > > The Man With A Shattered World (American translation title) is an
> > > accessible intro to the application of this approach.
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello Huw,
> > >>
> > >> I like that text pretty much (I always returned to it in our research
> > >> group in Brazil and I will present it again this week to our research
> > >> group in Japan). And this text, acording to Leontiev, is from 1930...
> > >> But at the same time Leontiev, in a letter from this same year (if I
> > >> am not mistaken again) points to divergent way of thinking between
> > >> him, Luria and Vygotsky... I unfortunately know very little about
> > >> Luria (just read some texts) and even less about today Russian
> > >> neuroscience, does this proposal by Vygotsky continues in Luria? And
> > >> returning to the main topic, there is still neuroscience following
> > >> these guidelines?
> > >>
> > >> Wagner
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Huw Lloyd <
> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > On 24 July 2013 15:38, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hello Larry,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please say more... I think this is so important, and things point
> out
> > >> >> that Vygotsky also, otherwise why enter the Medicine course in 1930
> > >> >> (if my memory is not wrong)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Wagner
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > "On Psychological Systems", collected works of LSV, v.3, p.105
> > >> >
> > >> > "In actual fact, it seems to me that by introducing the concept of
> > >> > psychological system in the form we discussed, we get a splendid
> > >> > possibility of conceiving the real connections, the real complex
> > >> > relationships that exist."
> > >> >
> > >> > "To a certain degree this also holds true for one of the most
> > difficult
> > >> > problems -- the localization of higher psychological systems."
> > >> >
> > >> > Huw
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Larry Purss <
> lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > Ulvi,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > You mentioned you are interested in *cognitive CHANGE*.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Within the concept *neuroplasticity* is implicit Nero change.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > There is a scholar in France [Catherine Malabou] whose central
> > >> conceptual
> > >> >> > thesis explores *plasticity* as from the Greek *to mold or to
> > model.*
> > >> >> > She moves the concepts of *dynamic* and *systems* and *theory*
> and
> > >> >> *neural*
> > >> >> > within the orbit of the central thesis of plasticity as change,
> > >> >> > transformation and metamorphosis.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Not sure if this is too far off topic.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I also want to mention *neo-Piagetian* theory including Vygotsky
> > and
> > >> >> > Wittgenstein is being explored at SIMON Fraser University.
> > >> >> > If interested I could say more.
> > >> >> > Larry
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Dear Andy and all, I found Kurt Fisher, he is at Harvard, Mind,
> > Brain
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> >> Education.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> He is described as:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Fischer's theory differs from the other neo-Piagetian theories
> in
> > a
> > >> >> number
> > >> >> >> of respects. One of them is in the way it explains cognitive
> > change.
> > >> >> >> Specifically, although Fischer does not deny the operation of
> > >> >> information
> > >> >> >> processing constrains on development, he emphasizes on the
> > >> environmental
> > >> >> >> and social rather than individual factors as causes of
> > development.
> > >> To
> > >> >> >> explain developmental change he borrowed two classic notions
> from
> > Lev
> > >> >> >> Vygotsky,[12]<
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development#cite_note-12
> > >> >> >> >that
> > >> >> >> is, internalization and the zone of proximal development.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> I am rather interested in the application of the new findings in
> > the
> > >> >> field
> > >> >> >> of educational neuroscience into the theory and practice of
> > >> education.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Ulvi
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> 2013/7/23 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > Ulvi, best of luck in your search, and maybe someone on this
> > list
> > >> can
> > >> >> >> > help. But don't get your hopes up.
> > >> >> >> > Lawrence Barsalou is a very sophisticated writer on
> > neuroscience,
> > >> but
> > >> >> in:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
Visiting Assistant Professor
Department of Anthropology
883 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson