Perhaps, Larry. Fits with my thinking in the attached. mike On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote: > Mike > I found this response to Helen thought provoking. In particular this > comment: > "What is fantasy for your lived reality may be reality for his lived > fantasy" > I have been reflecting on our understanding of "imaginal realms" and how > these realms are juxtaposed to another's lived reality. > > John Sallis is an American philosopher whose project is to reclaim another > understanding of *imaginal realms* which is NOT reduced to fantasy, > fabulation, phantoms, or unreality. > > Mike, in your comment and Dylan's lyrics the understanding of *truth* is > changing from notions of *correctness* MAY *be* changing to a notion of > *truth* AS DISCLOSING what has been concealed. > > As another example of the times changing I recently watched a 3 part TV > series called *Dhrama Rising*which follows the Buddhist notion of dharma > [as way of life] *rising* as it has been introduced into the West as a > cultural-historical engagement with the realm of modernity. > > The complexity and polyphonic *interpretations* [appearing from within a > cultural-historical lens] created by this interweaving created a sense of > wonder and amazement at the deepcultural transformation and metamorphosis > occuring in these times that are a changing. In my imaginal realms I > intuitively feel this fluidity of thought as conceptual interweaving in > relation to imaginal realms which has a quality OF a new > beginning/FOUNDING. Imaginal NOT located within private subjectivity but in > more romantic notions of the imaginal realms. THIS realm is not phantasy or > fabulation and in-forms thought in new relational intertwinings. > > Mike, your comment opens up a space [a clearing] to question if the > imaginal is always fantasy? [in contrast to truth?] > That way of understanding *truth* and *phantasy*may be only one particular > schema or genre or framework with a particular sense of presence [and > concealment]. THIS way of life which pre-judges *foundations* over > *foundings* [new beginnings] as notions of *truth*. > If I am chaining I apologize but your questioning the understanding of > *work* also throws into relief notions of *play* and opens up clearings for > reflection on what really *matters*. > *Playing* as participation WITHIN activities may be a novel way to > reflect on our current notions of *working* as something we do as a > necessary *work* before playing. THIS may also be a particular historically > formed schema or genre or framework which no longer *holds* our imaginal > yearnings. > > On the other hand, this could be merely the fantasy of nostalgia, > articulating a yearning left over from the 60's when I was listening to > Dylan as a young lad. > > Larry > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All- I am addressing this note to Helena but I assume that many are >> interested in the issues >> they raise and so much is going on, its a wonder anyone can keep track! >> This will be a long note. I am inserting >> some song lyrics into the message for reasons that will become clear if >> you >> are interested in reading. If not, >> delete any ole time. >> >> Helena. You write: >> >> >> My problem with his creative approach to research is that he acts as if >> the >> whole world has moved on to whatever he's studying next. He talks about >> "the >> historical development of work," "work..transformed from mass production >> and >> mass customization to co-configuration of customer-intelligent products >> and >> services with long life cycles", "post-bureaucratic work", 'work as "a >> living, growing networkŠnever finished," etc etc. This may be true of >> "work" >> as it occurs in the Change Laboratory, >> >> Two or three comments here (the third including the first poem/song by Bob >> Dylan). >> >> First, you might consider the differing national/cultural contexts that >> you >> and Yrjo inhabit. >> What is fantasy for your lived reality may be reality for his lived >> fantasy. He is a Finn, working >> in Finland. The land of Nokia, of Linux and perhaps the world's most >> successful public school system. >> It is a country that does not make its way, economically, in the world, by >> the overwhelming power of >> its military, its control over foreign governments through >> technologically-backed coercion, and its ability >> to manipulate foreign markets. It makes its way by innovation, by being >> precisely where Yrjo's imaginary >> is located. >> >> When Yrjo wrote *Learning by Expanding *the Soviet Union existed and >> >> Finland was a welfare state. Today >> there is no USSR, there is Putinism/state capitalism, and the rest of the >> world has taken Capitalism to >> extremes that were hard to imagine in 1986. And Finland is no longer the >> welfare state it was. But it is >> a country committed to living by their wits, creativity, and imagination. >> Of "living on the cutting edge" which >> leads to blood of a kind different than that of American (and not only >> American) capitalism. And different from >> rampant forms of fundamentalism. I am neither trying to valorize it or >> criticize, just characterize it as I understand it. >> Understood from this viewpoint, Yrjo's characterization of THE LEADING >> EDGE >> OF HISTORICAL CHANGES IN WORK AS IT IS EXPERIENCED IN MANY PLACES, BUT >> CLEARLY IN FINLAND, seems less quixotic. Right or wrong. >> >> After reading all of the messages after work today, I got myself caught >> listening to public radio and then to a >> record. First the radio story, then the record, by way of further >> ruminations. >> >> On the radio program they were talking about the way that many professions >> are bifurcating around ability to >> exploit modern technologies so that, for example, CPA's are dividing into >> two classes: Those who are caught doing >> scut work, and those who have mastery of technologies that allow them to >> work and make bundles more money >> at lower costs. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer ---- in more >> differentiated fashion. You are absolutely correct in pointing out does >> not >> connect directly to issues of already-and-continuing forms of work and >> issues of scraping together a living John Dos Pasos and John Steinbeck >> style (witness the current state of Detroit). But it DOES exist in many of >> the emerging modes of survival in an ever more unequal world. >> >> By whim, I had to run some errands after ruminating over all this, and I >> picked a Bob Dylan record off my shelf >> to listen to as I drove. Here is the first song I heard. Despite is >> antiquity, it had a kind of resonance in the context >> of the current discussion. At least something to contemplate and maybe >> argue about. I SO appreciate your writing as you did. Remember, Yrjo is an >> early and continuing member of this list, so no need to refer to him in >> the >> third person. >> >> Here is the Dylan song lyrics. I found myself amazed that they did not >> feel >> 50 years old, interpreted in a new context. >> mike >> _____________________ >> >> >> >> The times they are a changing >> >> >> >> Come gather 'round people >> Wherever you roam >> And admit that the waters >> Around you have grown >> And accept it that soon >> You'll be drenched to the bone. >> If your time to you >> Is worth savin' >> Then you better start swimmin' >> Or you'll sink like a stone >> For the times they are a-changin'. >> >> Come writers and critics >> Who prophesize with your pen >> And keep your eyes wide >> The chance won't come again >> And don't speak too soon >> For the wheel's still in spin >> And there's no tellin' who >> That it's namin'. >> For the loser now >> Will be later to win >> For the times they are a-changin'. >> >> Come senators, congressmen >> Please heed the call >> Don't stand in the doorway >> Don't block up the hall >> For he that gets hurt >> Will be he who has stalled >> There's a battle outside ragin'. >> It'll soon shake your windows >> And rattle your walls >> For the times they are a-changin'. >> >> Come mothers and fathers >> Throughout the land >> And don't criticize >> What you can't understand >> Your sons and your daughters >> Are beyond your command >> Your old road is >> Rapidly agin'. >> Please get out of the new one >> If you can't lend your hand >> For the times they are a-changin'. >> >> The line it is drawn >> The curse it is cast >> The slow one now >> Will later be fast >> As the present now >> Will later be past >> The order is >> Rapidly fadin'. >> And the first one now >> Will later be last >> For the times they are a-changin'. >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > >
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