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Re: [xmca] Double Stimulation?
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keskiviikko 12. kesäkuuta 2013 Greg Thompson kirjoitti:
> Antti,
> And not to overwhelm you Antti, (and first thanks for sharing your notes
> with me offline), but I have a follow-up question about how the concept of
> "knots" and "knotworking" is being used by Engestrom and Sannino (I recall
> some fondness for knots and knotworking by folks at LCHC - Jay, Mike, Ivan,
> Camille, and Robert preeminent among them, but most literally embodied by
> the work of Rachel Pfister who is studying Ravelry - an online knitting
> community - knots indeed!).
>
> With regard to the concept of knots and the librarians, I see at least two
> uses: one in which knots are positive, as in knots intentionally tied, and
> in which you imbricate the interests of others with your own interests (and
> it seems that this would be wise for librarians to do...), and the other in
> which knots are negative, as in knots that are caused by unfortunate
> circumstances, and in which the aim is to "work" out the knots that others
> are experiencing in their lives (something that would also be wise for
> librarians to do and which will de facto result in the first kind of
> intended knots!).
>
> In the end I'm just wondering what work the concept of "knots" and
> "knotworking" are doing for the librarians?
>
> Any chance you could provide some insight into this knotty problem? And
> perhaps unravel the knot that my words have caught me up in (or, perhaps,
> which I have tied...)?
> -greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> Antti, I was directing my question to you and your remarks.
>
> In Engestrom's highlky regarded, now out of print, 1987 text "Learning by
> Expanding", the famous triangle logo is given as Figure 2.6, and after a
> long consideration of "candidates" for "unit of analysis" he says the
> following about this triangle: "The model of Figure 2.6 may now be compared
> with the four criteria of a root model of human activity, set forth earlier
> in this chapter." and goes on to list and consider the criteria which are
> commonly associated in this current with the notion of "unit of analysis."
> (numerous citations are not required). But he never said that the triangle
> is a unit of analaysis, and it is not, and cannot be. He said it is a root
> model and it is. The root model is a system concept, not a unit of analysis.
>
> Do you think it possible that this has been the source of some confusion?
>
> Andy
>
> Antti Rajala wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Andy for sharing the wikipedia text, and your thoughts about the
> issue! The thoughts about unit of analysis were my own interpretation of
> the study, and I am not sure if the issue you raised concerns the original
> study.
>
> Warm wishes, Antti
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:
> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>
> Antti, here is a link to th eWikipedia on "System concept"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**System<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System>
> Why do Activity Theorists in Engstrom's current of thinking mix up
> the idea of a system concept with a unit of analysis?
>
> Andy
>
>
> Antti Rajala wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> You asked:
> ”My question is getting at where we locate "agency". In
> individuals alone?
> Or as possibly being distributed among multiple people and
> perhaps in
> amanner that isn't recognizable to the individual. But maybe
> there is
> aconcept for that that is different from "double stimulation.”
>
> I think that double stimulation can be analyzed not only at
> the individual
> level but at the collective level as well. Actually, the study
> of Engeström
> and Sannino (2013) that I referred to in my earlier email
> gives a nice
> example. The study also involves in some respects a similar
> situation as
> the one that you described having taken place with the workers
> in Malaysia.
>
> According to my reading, the study describes a change laboratory
> intervention taking place in a university library. The library
> as invited
> researchers to help them find new forms of work with research
> groups. A
> first stimulus emerges in the course of the change laboratory
> intervention,
> as a member of one of the research groups that the university
> library is
> delivering services says that they can find these services in
> the internet
> without the help of the library. Thus a problem emerges for
> the librarians
> to collectively produce a service that would be genuinely
> helpful for the
> research groups.
>
> In solving this problem, they organize their collective action
> with the
> help of a second stimulus, namely the concept of knotworking
> (Engeström,
> Engeström & Vähäaho, 1999) that the researchers have
> introduced in the
> beginning of the change laboratory. In particular, a new
> working group, a
> knot, is formed that starts to work with the emergent problem
> of inventing
> a useful service.
>
> What is in my opinion very innovative, Engeström and Sannino
> also provide
> an example of this second stimulus, the concept of
> knotworking, becoming an
> initial theoretical generalization that is reworked and
> enriched through a
> process of ascending from abstract to concrete as the
> intervention e
>
>
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