Re: [xmca] Vygotsky and Dilthey?: Why V was critical towards D?

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

And Dilthey is back in a big way through his influence on the "interpretive
turn" in the social sciences and humanities. At my alma mater, Indiana, the
Psychology department is now called the dept of psychology and brain
sciences.

Doesn't take a weatherman.

mike

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:

> Vygotsky writes in some detail about Dilthey in "The Meaning of the Crisis
> in Psychology." His criticism is that Dilthey's conception of psychology
> amounted to one of the two sides of the dualism that LSV was keen to
> overcome. Indeed, Dilthey himself divided science into two types, the
> natural sciences and the sciences of mind, and located psychology in the
> latter.
>
> Martin
>
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 2:43 AM, Rauno Huttunen <rakahu@utu.fi> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Radzikhovskii and Khomskaya make interesting point in their article A.R.
> Luria and L. S. Vygotsky: Early Years of their Collaboration (Journal of
> Russian and East European Psychology, Volume 20, number 1 / Fall 1981, DOI:
> 10.2753/RPO1061-040520013):
> >
> > "To understand how, in such a situation, Vygotsky nevertheless could
> become Luria's teacher,
> > we must turn to Luria's scientific career before he met Vygotsky. ...
> whole generations of Russian
> > students had been nurtured: the works of Hoffding, Wundt, Dilthey,
> Binet, and James"
> >
> > That would be one reason why Vygotsky was critical towards Dilthey.
> Dilthey represented earlier paradigm.
> >
> > Rauno Huttunen
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> On Behalf Of Martin Packer
> > Sent: 24. huhtikuuta 2013 6:07
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Vygotsky and Dilthey? Perzhivanie and Erlebnis?
> >
> > Vygotsky certain;y knew about Dilthey. But he wasn't a huge fan:
> >
> > "It was specifically the fear of materialistic conceptions of natural
> scientific psychology penetrating into the social sciences that pushed
> Dilthey and other authors toward the idea of dividing psychology into two
> "separate sciences." Dilthey wrote that "integration into the natural
> sciences" gives psychology the "character of a refined materialism. This
> psychology is not a sure foundation, but a danger for the jurist or the
> historian of literature. Every subsequent development has shown what a
> disintegrating role this hidden materialism of Spencerian explanatory
> psychology has played in the economic and political sciences and in
> criminal law" (Dilthey, 1924, p. 30)."
> >
> > Vygotsky, L. S. (2012). The science of psychology. Journal of Russian
> and East European Psychology, 50(4), 85-106.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Just making connections a propos of Anton's mention that perezhivanie
> is a
> >> direct translation of the German erlebnis.
> >>
> >> I was recently reading The Anthropology of Experience in which Edward
> >> Bruner looks to link anthropology, through Victor Turner, to Dilthey and
> >> his important concept "erlebnis".
> >>
> >> Vygotsky certainly would have known about Dilthey, no?
> >>
> >> -greg
> >>
> >> p.s. I also wonder if Dilthey would have been a significant influence on
> >> Dewey and his notion of "experience"?
> >>
> >> --
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