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RE: RES: [xmca] "semiotic/semantic [semicheskyj] analysis". Can you help me?

Thank you very much Greg,

I will certainly rewrite this chapter. I read a long time ago and do not remember the main propositions. Thank you very much.

Achilles. 

> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:51:10 -0600
> Subject: Re: RES: [xmca] "semiotic/semantic [semicheskyj] analysis". Can you	help me?
> From: greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> 
> Achilles,
> I would suggest Volosinov's book, Marxism and the Philosophy of Language,
> esp. Chapter 3: Philosophy of Language and Objective Psychology.
> Browse Google book here:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=fIPuRyFvDKIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
> 
> Best,
> -greg
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:06 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the reference, Larry. Only one Univ of California library has
> > the book, so I have ordered it and look forward to reading it. Perhaps, if
> > you have a similar paper you would like to send, we could make it the topic
> > of joint discussion on XMCA.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:05 AM, larry smolucha <lsmolucha@hotmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Message from Francine,
> > > We had to surrender copyright to the publisher,which is the case for most
> > > academic books and journals.Since the book was just published, I do not
> > > think they would let the paperbe posted on-line just yet.
> > > But if you send me  your private e-mail address, I can e-mail copies of
> > > similarpapers.
> > >
> > > > From: jbmartin@sercomtel.com.br
> > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > Subject: RES: [xmca] "semiotic/semantic [semicheskyj] analysis". Can
> > you
> > >      help    me?
> > > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:05:56 -0300
> > > >
> > > > Do you can send the paper Smolucha, L. and Smolucha, F. (2012)
> > Vygotsky's
> > > > Theory of Creativity inContemporary Perspectives on Research in
> > > Creativity
> > > > in Early Childhood Education(Information Age Publishing, pp.63-88) to
> > > xmca?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Joao
> > > >
> > > > -----Mensagem original-----
> > > > De: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > Em
> > > nome
> > > > de larry smolucha
> > > > Enviada em: terça-feira, 23 de abril de 2013 07:42
> > > > Para: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > Assunto: RE: [xmca] "semiotic/semantic [semicheskyj] analysis". Can you
> > > help
> > > > me?
> > > >
> > > > Message from Francine Smolucha:
> > > > Achilles,
> > > > The most direct application of Vygotsky is to observe (and document)
> > > howthe
> > > > verbal guidance of a more knowledgeable person is internalized assilent
> > > > self-guiding inner speech. This is done through discourse
> > > analysis.Sometimes
> > > > there is an intermediate step where the learner speaks parts of
> > theverbal
> > > > guidance outloud to him(her)self ( Social Speech - Private Speech
> > -Inner
> > > > Speech).[Note Vygotsky used the term egocentric speech instead of the
> > > > contemporary term private speech]. It would be great to use neural
> > > imaging
> > > > techniques to documenthow the cortical functions of the prefrontal
> > > cortices
> > > > change as the executivefunction emerges as the self-guiding speech is
> > > > employed and internalized.
> > > > Two excellent books that deal with this process are Private Speech,
> > > > Executive Functioning, and the Development of VerbalSelf-Regulation by
> > > > Winsler, A,. et. al. ( Cambridge, 2009) The Prefrontal Cortex by
> > Joaquin
> > > > Fuster  (Academic Press, 2009).[Pages 369-371 discuss the development
> > of
> > > > creativity as prefrontal self-regulationof imagination with direct
> > > reference
> > > > to the work of both Vygotsky and Luria. Thisis consistent with my
> > > > interpretation of Vygotsky's theory of creativity -  seeSmolucha, L.
> > and
> > > > Smolucha, F. (2012) Vygotsky's Theory of Creativity inContemporary
> > > > Perspectives on Research in Creativity in Early Childhood
> > > > Education(Information Age Publishing, pp.63-88)] Hope this was of some
> > > help.
> > > >
> > > > > From: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
> > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 04:28:38 +0000
> > > > > Subject: [xmca] "semiotic/semantic [semicheskyj] analysis". Can you
> > > help
> > > > me?
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings for all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Please, I understand that I have a major methodological problem in my
> > > > nearest research project: "how to understand human making-sense through
> > > the
> > > > concrete acts of a person's speech?". Along many years I had thought
> > > about
> > > > Vygotsky's claim that "“Semiotic [and/or "semantic" = semicheskyj]
> > > analysis
> > > > is the only adequate method for the study of the systemic and semantic
> > > > structure of consciousness.” (see
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1934/problem-consciousness.ht
> > > > m). But it is not so clear how to proceed "Semiotic/semantic analysis".
> > > > Then, if you pleased, could somebody help me, shining my mind about the
> > > > (im)possibilities about somebody really learn *how to do* such kind of
> > > > analysis? Here in Brazil, close to me, there is nobody working with
> > > > something in this direction, then I have no local resources to ask
> > for...
> > > > Forgive me about the naive character of the question, but I really want
> > > to
> > > > learn about.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you very much, once more. Best wishes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Achilles from Brazil.
> > > > >
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