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[xmca] Extended Knowledge Project Edinburgh
Members of this list might be interested in the Extended Knowledge Project
running in Edinburgh's EIDYN epistemology centre
http://www.extended-knowledge.ppls.ed.ac.uk/
While it's from a particular philosophical perspective (the extended mind
view) the project may draw on ideas wider than that, and its implications
should certainly be wider. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing how it
develops!
Some choice quotes:
Extended Knowledge and Education
insofar as the extended cognition/distributed cognition research programme
has important ramifications for epistemology (and we believe that it does),
then it surely has important ramifications for the epistemology of education
too. Think, for example, of how students in western societies increasingly
depend on technological devices to aid their learning. Are these devices
mere instruments, or is the student instead a component part of a broader
cognitive whole that includes the devices themselves? Or, to take another
example, think of the (relatively contemporary) focus in educational theory
on group learning. From an epistemic point of view, is the group more than
the epistemic sum of its constituent parts (i.e., the individual learners
who make up the group)?
Extended Knowledge and Informatics
The results of the Extended Knowledge Project can undoubtedly have a strong
technological impact, especially within informatics, where human-computer
interactions and information-processing are the primary topics of study.
Specifically, studying the ways in which knowledge can be extended can lead
to the engineering of an entirely new series of programmes that have
traditionally aimed at knowledge. Think about:
Internet Search Engines
Music Databases
Video Databases
Online Encyclopaedias
The design of such knowledge oriented programmes that aim at pooling
information from the social domain and then redistributing it to the
individual can undergo a radical reconceptualisation. Instead of merely
updating themselves by passively tracking the activity of their users,
programmes could provide their users with the means to actively contribute
to the database. The overall effect would be that individual users would be
able to upload their part of social knowledge to the programme, wherefrom
they could, in turn, individually download it in its entirety.
One of the main aims and original contributions of the Extended Knowledge
Project is to specify the details of designing such reliable and
user-friendly human-machine programmes whose output will amount to
knowledge.
http://people.kmi.open.ac.uk/knight/2013/03/the-extended-knowledge-project/
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2. Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh (mike cole)
3. RE: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz)
4. Re: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Huw Lloyd)
5. Re: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice
(Martin Packer)
6. RE: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz)
7. Re: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Martin Packer)
8. Re: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Carol Macdonald)
9. Re: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice
(Carol Macdonald)
10. Re: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice
(Martin Packer)
11. Re: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Martin Packer)
12. Re: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Carol Macdonald)
13. Re: Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
(Huw Lloyd)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:17:13 +1100
From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
Subject: [xmca] Re: AW: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article
is choice
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Thank you Manfred for that clear explanation, and for correcting my
typing mistake! :(
This might be an occasion to mention how my own development of Activity
Theory differs from yours and that of ANL.
I do not work with duality of "the publically assigned meaning and the
personally felt sense". Rather I use Hegel's approach in which the
Individual and Universal are mediated by the Particular. This is a
relation which is applicable not just to motives, but any concept. It
allows the meaning of the situation to be something which is *realised*.
This word "realised" is what Wiulliam James would have described as a
"double-barrelled word" (following Charles Dickens' "double barrelled
compliment), in that it means both "realised" in the objective sense of
"made real", as in "The plan was at last realised when the judge
delivered his verdict," and subjective in the sense of "woke up to", as
in "I realised that my efforts to reconcile with my wife were doomed to
failure." I believe that this resolves certain problems which arise in
Actvity Theory, but remaining within the Activity approach as outlined
in your excellent paper.
Andy
Holodynski, Manfred wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> thank you very much for all your valued comments on my article. There
> are a lot of aspects already discussed and I have some difficulties to
> follow all lines of argumentation. Therefore, I would like to answer
> to the following:
>
> 1. Emotions as psychological function within the macrostructure of
> activity.
>
> As Andy claims it I get my Activity Theory from AN Leont'ev and I
> focused especially on his concept of macrostructure of activity and
> its levels of activity that is related to motives, actions that are
> related to goals and operations that are related to the conditions
> under which an action is given. And Andy gets precisely to the heart
> of it when he stated that my article needs to be read with attention
> to motivation and how the macrostructure of an activity is related to
> the motives and goals of an individual. One activity can be realized
> by different actions, and one action can realize different activities.
>
> May I quote Andy's words:
>
> " Because motives are not given to immediate perception; they have to
> be inferred/learnt. Emotional expression and experience signal the
> success, failure, frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives
> for both participant/observers and the individual subject themself,
> emotion is tied up with motives and goals and therefore with the
> structure of an activity. One and the same action could be part of
> different actions activities (!) (MH). It is the emotions which
> signal (internally and externally) the success, etc., etc., that is,
> in an action's furthering an activity, and it is this which makes
> manifest and actual that connection between action and activity, for
> both the observer/participant and the individual subject.
>
> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
> intelligent infants, etc."
>
> a) Take the example of the opening of the window. That's the behavior.
> What's the goal?
>
> b) Imagine the person is a leader and opens the window in order to
> greet his followers and to hold a speech. That's the goal. What is the
> activity?
>
> c) If one look at the circumstances one can derive that the speech is
> a part of a political activity in order to celebrate the election
> victory. So, if the leader also feels pride and enthusiasm about the
> victory there is coincidence between the publically assigned meaning
> and the personally felt sense of the situation. However, it may also
> be possible that he doesn't feel pride but a great burden and he
> personally feels to be overloaded with the duties and future
> expectations. Then the societal meaning assigned by the followers to
> this situation and the personal sense assigned by the leader himself
> are not congruent. The leader framed this situation under an
> achievement perspective whether he is able to fulfill the leadership.
>
> But, note when we talk about actions and activity, then we speak about
> an advanced level of activity e.g. in children or adults, but not in
> infants who start to have intentions but still not a mental image of a
> future state of affairs.
>
> 2. Differentiation between the basic level in infants and advanced
> level in older children:
>
> - A young infant has not already established a goal-driven level of
> actions. In the first weeks one can observe the acquisition of first
> operations and of first expectations what should happen. But these
> expectations are not yet represented as a mental image about the
> desired future states. This is the product of the acquisition of a
> sign system which enables the person to evoke and imagine a future
> state in the here and now and to start to strive for it. And for this
> starting point, not only to imagine different future states, but also
> to select one of them and to start to strive for it, emotional
> processes come into play that color one of the imagined future state
> e.g. in a state worth striving for and that mobilize the executive
> power to start striving for it.
>
> However, the ability to form such notions of goals and to transform
> them into actions is not something that occurs automatically. It
> emerges in a long-drawn ontogenetic learning process in which the
> attainment of goals through actions is tried, tested, and increasingly
> optimized. Older children are
>
> So, for an understanding of my emotion concept the macrostructure of
> an activity is very decisive because I embedded emotions as a specific
> psychological function within the macrostructure of an activity.
>
> Best
>
> Manfred
>
> Prof. Dr. Manfred Holodynski
>
> Institut f|r Psychologie in Bildung und Erziehung
>
> Westfdlische Wilhelms-Universitdt M|nster
>
> Fliednerstr. 21
>
> D-48149 M|nster
>
> +49-(0)-251-83-34311
>
> +49-(0)-251-83-34310 (Sekretariat)
>
> +49-(0)-251-83-34314 (Fax)
>
> http://wwwpsy.uni-muenster.de/Psychologie.inst5/AEHolodynski/index.html
>
> manfred.holodynski@uni-muenster.de
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Andy Blunden [mailto:ablunden@mira.net]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Mdrz 2013 04:13
> An: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Cc: Holodynski, Manfred
> Betreff: Re: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice
>
> Mike, Manfred gets his Activity Theory from AN Leontyev, rather than
> Engestrom's "systems of activity."
>
> So actions and activities are defined by their goals and motives. So
> Manfred's article needs to be read with attention to motivation and
> how the structure of an activity is related to motives and goals.
> Because motives are not given to immediate perception; they have to be
> inferred/learnt. Emotional expression and experience signal the
> success, failure, frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives
> for both participant/observers and the individual subject themself,
> emotion is tied up with motives and goals and therefore with the
> structure of an activity. One and the same action could be part of
> different actions. It is the emotions which signal (internally and
> externally) the success, etc., etc., that is, in an action's
> furthering an activity, and it is this which makes manifest and actual
> that connection between action and activity, for both the
> observer/participant and the individual subject.
>
> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
> intelligent infants, etc.
>
> It's all in there.
>
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
> > Hi Andy - and here I was wondering why operation/action/activity were
>
> > not prominent in Manfred's article. Where does he lay out the views in
>
> > this note? Am I reading too superficially as usual? Seems important
>
> > for me to get clear about!
>
> > Mike
>
> >
>
> > On Thursday, March 21, 2013, Andy Blunden wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Think of your illustration,Martin, about whether, in opening the
>
> > window, you were acting as a technician or moral leader. I.e., the
>
> > meaning of the action lies in the activity of which it is a part,
>
> > which is not immediately given. Manfred does not refer this to
>
> > "intention" or "belief". Manfred is quite specific that the
>
> > signalising and self-perception of an action in relation to an
>
> > activity - i.e., an action's being of this and not that activity -
>
> > is a function played by emotion. Concepts like internal state and
>
> > intention are derivative from operation/action/activity, not
>
> > fundamental.
>
> >
>
> > Andy
>
> >
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Andy Blunden*
Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 04:43:13 -0700
From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
(apologies for cross-posting)
Dear all,
The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!) developmental
psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the ad on
to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group, and
want a fantastic colleague to join us.
This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and it is
an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant Prof.
level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
successful applicant to focus on building a productive research program and
group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to hire
highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
The listing can be found here:
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the application
procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next year.
The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be also
be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
underrepresented areas, such as social development.
Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular strengths
in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental cognitive
science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to perform
a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season every
summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
highlands are a short trip away.
Cheers,
Hugh Rabagliati
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:45:24 +0000
From: Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <nickrenz@uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
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Edinburgh y/n?
________________________________________
From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on behalf of
mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
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From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
(apologies for cross-posting)
Dear all,
The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!) developmental
psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the ad on
to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group, and
want a fantastic colleague to join us.
This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and it is
an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant Prof.
level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
successful applicant to focus on building a productive research program and
group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to hire
highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
The listing can be found here:
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the application
procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next year.
The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be also
be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
underrepresented areas, such as social development.
Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular strengths
in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental cognitive
science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to perform
a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season every
summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
highlands are a short trip away.
Cheers,
Hugh Rabagliati
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:11:30 +0000
From: Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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On 23 March 2013 12:45, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz
<nickrenz@uchicago.edu>wrote:
> Edinburgh y/n?
>
>
y! It's a great place, but not for the weather shy.
"High-flying" sounds like a complete put-off though. It reads "has no
values of their own and will stand on other people in order to try to look
good". I suggest they send the person who wrote it to do city finance.
Huw
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on behalf
> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
> Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
> Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
> To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
>
>
> (apologies for cross-posting)
>
> Dear all,
>
> The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!) developmental
> psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the ad
on
> to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group, and
> want a fantastic colleague to join us.
>
> This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and it is
> an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant Prof.
> level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
> successful applicant to focus on building a productive research program
and
> group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to hire
> highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
>
> The listing can be found here:
>
>
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
>
> The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the application
> procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
> individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next year.
>
> The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
> department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
> Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be also
> be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
> underrepresented areas, such as social development.
>
> Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular strengths
> in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental
cognitive
> science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
> department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
>
> For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to perform
> a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
> culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season every
> summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
> highlands are a short trip away.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hugh Rabagliati
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:48:39 +0000
From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is
choice
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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I though you wanted to *avoid* metaphysics, Andy!
Martin
On Mar 22, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> Thank you Manfred for that clear explanation, and for correcting my typing
mistake! :(
> This might be an occasion to mention how my own development of Activity
Theory differs from yours and that of ANL.
> I do not work with duality of "the publically assigned meaning and the
personally felt sense". Rather I use Hegel's approach in which the
Individual and Universal are mediated by the Particular. This is a relation
which is applicable not just to motives, but any concept. It allows the
meaning of the situation to be something which is *realised*. This word
"realised" is what Wiulliam James would have described as a
"double-barrelled word" (following Charles Dickens' "double barrelled
compliment), in that it means both "realised" in the objective sense of
"made real", as in "The plan was at last realised when the judge delivered
his verdict," and subjective in the sense of "woke up to", as in "I realised
that my efforts to reconcile with my wife were doomed to failure." I believe
that this resolves certain problems which arise in Actvity Theory, but
remaining within the Activity approach as outlined in your excellent paper.
>
> Andy
>
> Holodynski, Manfred wrote:
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> thank you very much for all your valued comments on my article. There are
a lot of aspects already discussed and I have some difficulties to follow
all lines of argumentation. Therefore, I would like to answer to the
following:
>>
>> 1. Emotions as psychological function within the macrostructure of
activity.
>>
>> As Andy claims it I get my Activity Theory from AN Leont'ev and I focused
especially on his concept of macrostructure of activity and its levels of
activity that is related to motives, actions that are related to goals and
operations that are related to the conditions under which an action is
given. And Andy gets precisely to the heart of it when he stated that my
article needs to be read with attention to motivation and how the
macrostructure of an activity is related to the motives and goals of an
individual. One activity can be realized by different actions, and one
action can realize different activities.
>>
>> May I quote Andy's words:
>>
>> " Because motives are not given to immediate perception; they have to be
inferred/learnt. Emotional expression and experience signal the success,
failure, frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives for both
participant/observers and the individual subject themself, emotion is tied
up with motives and goals and therefore with the structure of an activity.
One and the same action could be part of different actions activities (!)
(MH). It is the emotions which signal (internally and externally) the
success, etc., etc., that is, in an action's furthering an activity, and it
is this which makes manifest and actual that connection between action and
activity, for both the observer/participant and the individual subject.
>>
>> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
intelligent infants, etc."
>>
>> a) Take the example of the opening of the window. That's the behavior.
What's the goal?
>>
>> b) Imagine the person is a leader and opens the window in order to greet
his followers and to hold a speech. That's the goal. What is the activity?
>>
>> c) If one look at the circumstances one can derive that the speech is a
part of a political activity in order to celebrate the election victory. So,
if the leader also feels pride and enthusiasm about the victory there is
coincidence between the publically assigned meaning and the personally felt
sense of the situation. However, it may also be possible that he doesn't
feel pride but a great burden and he personally feels to be overloaded with
the duties and future expectations. Then the societal meaning assigned by
the followers to this situation and the personal sense assigned by the
leader himself are not congruent. The leader framed this situation under an
achievement perspective whether he is able to fulfill the leadership.
>>
>> But, note when we talk about actions and activity, then we speak about an
advanced level of activity e.g. in children or adults, but not in infants
who start to have intentions but still not a mental image of a future state
of affairs.
>>
>> 2. Differentiation between the basic level in infants and advanced level
in older children:
>>
>> - A young infant has not already established a goal-driven level of
actions. In the first weeks one can observe the acquisition of first
operations and of first expectations what should happen. But these
expectations are not yet represented as a mental image about the desired
future states. This is the product of the acquisition of a sign system which
enables the person to evoke and imagine a future state in the here and now
and to start to strive for it. And for this starting point, not only to
imagine different future states, but also to select one of them and to start
to strive for it, emotional processes come into play that color one of the
imagined future state e.g. in a state worth striving for and that mobilize
the executive power to start striving for it.
>>
>> However, the ability to form such notions of goals and to transform them
into actions is not something that occurs automatically. It emerges in a
long-drawn ontogenetic learning process in which the attainment of goals
through actions is tried, tested, and increasingly optimized. Older children
are
>>
>> So, for an understanding of my emotion concept the macrostructure of an
activity is very decisive because I embedded emotions as a specific
psychological function within the macrostructure of an activity.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>> Prof. Dr. Manfred Holodynski
>>
>> Institut f|r Psychologie in Bildung und Erziehung
>>
>> Westfdlische Wilhelms-Universitdt M|nster
>>
>> Fliednerstr. 21
>>
>> D-48149 M|nster
>>
>> +49-(0)-251-83-34311
>>
>> +49-(0)-251-83-34310 (Sekretariat)
>>
>> +49-(0)-251-83-34314 (Fax)
>>
>> http://wwwpsy.uni-muenster.de/Psychologie.inst5/AEHolodynski/index.html
>>
>> manfred.holodynski@uni-muenster.de
>>
>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Andy Blunden [mailto:ablunden@mira.net]
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Mdrz 2013 04:13
>> An: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Cc: Holodynski, Manfred
>> Betreff: Re: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice
>>
>> Mike, Manfred gets his Activity Theory from AN Leontyev, rather than
Engestrom's "systems of activity."
>>
>> So actions and activities are defined by their goals and motives. So
Manfred's article needs to be read with attention to motivation and how the
structure of an activity is related to motives and goals. Because motives
are not given to immediate perception; they have to be inferred/learnt.
Emotional expression and experience signal the success, failure,
frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives for both
participant/observers and the individual subject themself, emotion is tied
up with motives and goals and therefore with the structure of an activity.
One and the same action could be part of different actions. It is the
emotions which signal (internally and externally) the success, etc., etc.,
that is, in an action's furthering an activity, and it is this which makes
manifest and actual that connection between action and activity, for both
the observer/participant and the individual subject.
>>
>> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
intelligent infants, etc.
>>
>> It's all in there.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> mike cole wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Andy - and here I was wondering why operation/action/activity were
>>
>> > not prominent in Manfred's article. Where does he lay out the views in
>>
>> > this note? Am I reading too superficially as usual? Seems important
>>
>> > for me to get clear about!
>>
>> > Mike
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Thursday, March 21, 2013, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Think of your illustration,Martin, about whether, in opening the
>>
>> > window, you were acting as a technician or moral leader. I.e., the
>>
>> > meaning of the action lies in the activity of which it is a part,
>>
>> > which is not immediately given. Manfred does not refer this to
>>
>> > "intention" or "belief". Manfred is quite specific that the
>>
>> > signalising and self-perception of an action in relation to an
>>
>> > activity - i.e., an action's being of this and not that activity -
>>
>> > is a function played by emotion. Concepts like internal state and
>>
>> > intention are derivative from operation/action/activity, not
>>
>> > fundamental.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Andy
>>
>> >
>>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:32:20 +0000
From: Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <nickrenz@uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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OH! my goodness I did not mean to send that to the whole list (it was meant
to go to my husband, who understandably has some opinions about where we
might live). However, having done so, I thank you for your input!
Elizabeth Fein, Ph.D.
Department of Comparative Human Development
University of Chicago
Postdoctoral Fellow, SociAbility
________________________________________
From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on behalf of
Huw Lloyd [huw.softdesigns@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:11 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
On 23 March 2013 12:45, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz
<nickrenz@uchicago.edu>wrote:
> Edinburgh y/n?
>
>
y! It's a great place, but not for the weather shy.
"High-flying" sounds like a complete put-off though. It reads "has no
values of their own and will stand on other people in order to try to look
good". I suggest they send the person who wrote it to do city finance.
Huw
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on behalf
> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
> Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
> Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
> To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
>
>
> (apologies for cross-posting)
>
> Dear all,
>
> The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!) developmental
> psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the ad
on
> to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group, and
> want a fantastic colleague to join us.
>
> This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and it is
> an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant Prof.
> level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
> successful applicant to focus on building a productive research program
and
> group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to hire
> highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
>
> The listing can be found here:
>
>
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
>
> The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the application
> procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
> individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next year.
>
> The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
> department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
> Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be also
> be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
> underrepresented areas, such as social development.
>
> Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular strengths
> in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental
cognitive
> science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
> department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
>
> For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to perform
> a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
> culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season every
> summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
> highlands are a short trip away.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hugh Rabagliati
> __________________________________________
> _____
> xmca mailing list
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:38:41 +0000
From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Elizabeth, having entered (albeit unintentionally) into the xmca discussion,
you *have * to explain this: SociAbility! :)
By the way, I'd second Huw's comments: Edinburgh's a great place. Though the
weather gets a bit chilly. What does your husband say?
Martin
On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz
<nickrenz@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> OH! my goodness I did not mean to send that to the whole list (it was
meant to go to my husband, who understandably has some opinions about where
we might live). However, having done so, I thank you for your input!
>
> Elizabeth Fein, Ph.D.
> Department of Comparative Human Development
> University of Chicago
> Postdoctoral Fellow, SociAbility
>
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on behalf
of Huw Lloyd [huw.softdesigns@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:11 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
>
> On 23 March 2013 12:45, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz
<nickrenz@uchicago.edu>wrote:
>
>> Edinburgh y/n?
>>
>>
> y! It's a great place, but not for the weather shy.
>
> "High-flying" sounds like a complete put-off though. It reads "has no
> values of their own and will stand on other people in order to try to look
> good". I suggest they send the person who wrote it to do city finance.
>
> Huw
>
>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on behalf
>> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
>> Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
>> Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
>> Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
>> To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> (apologies for cross-posting)
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!)
developmental
>> psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the ad
on
>> to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group, and
>> want a fantastic colleague to join us.
>>
>> This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and it is
>> an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant Prof.
>> level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
>> successful applicant to focus on building a productive research program
and
>> group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to hire
>> highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
>>
>> The listing can be found here:
>>
>>
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
>>
>> The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the application
>> procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
>> individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next year.
>>
>> The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
>> department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
>> Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be also
>> be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
>> underrepresented areas, such as social development.
>>
>> Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular
strengths
>> in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental
cognitive
>> science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
>> department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
>>
>> For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to
perform
>> a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
>> culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season every
>> summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
>> highlands are a short trip away.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hugh Rabagliati
>> __________________________________________
>> _____
>> xmca mailing list
>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:27:33 +0200
From: Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Weather--I spent 40 months there doing my PhD. If the weather bureau says
it is zero degrees C, and then you go and stand at the bus stop and there
is a strong wind, and then you know what minus 16 degrees feels like.
Don't trust the weatherman; go for the wind chill index and the effective
temperature; these abound on-line. You have been warned :-))
By the way, if there is no wind, this temperature can be tolerable. But
that never happened in Edinburgh (this real life example comes from
Iceland).
Carol
On 23 March 2013 18:38, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> Elizabeth, having entered (albeit unintentionally) into the xmca
> discussion, you *have * to explain this: SociAbility! :)
>
> By the way, I'd second Huw's comments: Edinburgh's a great place. Though
> the weather gets a bit chilly. What does your husband say?
>
> Martin
>
> On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <
> nickrenz@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
> > OH! my goodness I did not mean to send that to the whole list (it was
> meant to go to my husband, who understandably has some opinions about
where
> we might live). However, having done so, I thank you for your input!
> >
> > Elizabeth Fein, Ph.D.
> > Department of Comparative Human Development
> > University of Chicago
> > Postdoctoral Fellow, SociAbility
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
> behalf of Huw Lloyd [huw.softdesigns@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:11 AM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
> >
> > On 23 March 2013 12:45, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <nickrenz@uchicago.edu
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Edinburgh y/n?
> >>
> >>
> > y! It's a great place, but not for the weather shy.
> >
> > "High-flying" sounds like a complete put-off though. It reads "has no
> > values of their own and will stand on other people in order to try to
> look
> > good". I suggest they send the person who wrote it to do city finance.
> >
> > Huw
> >
> >
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
> behalf
> >> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
> >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> >> Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
> >> Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
> >> Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of
> Edinburgh
> >> To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >> (apologies for cross-posting)
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!)
> developmental
> >> psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the
> ad on
> >> to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group, and
> >> want a fantastic colleague to join us.
> >>
> >> This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and it
> is
> >> an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant
> Prof.
> >> level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
> >> successful applicant to focus on building a productive research program
> and
> >> group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to hire
> >> highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
> >>
> >> The listing can be found here:
> >>
> >>
>
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
> >>
> >> The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the application
> >> procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
> >> individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next
year.
> >>
> >> The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
> >> department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
> >> Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be
> also
> >> be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
> >> underrepresented areas, such as social development.
> >>
> >> Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular
> strengths
> >> in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental
> cognitive
> >> science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
> >> department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
> >>
> >> For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to
> perform
> >> a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
> >> culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season
every
> >> summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
> >> highlands are a short trip away.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Hugh Rabagliati
> >> __________________________________________
> >> _____
> >> xmca mailing list
> >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >>
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Academic, Researcher, Writer and Editor
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:36:46 +0200
From: Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is
choice
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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I thought that what he said was avoiding it: back up your exclamation Martin
Carol
On 23 March 2013 16:48, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> I though you wanted to *avoid* metaphysics, Andy!
>
> Martin
>
> On Mar 22, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Manfred for that clear explanation, and for correcting my
> typing mistake! :(
> > This might be an occasion to mention how my own development of Activity
> Theory differs from yours and that of ANL.
> > I do not work with duality of "the publically assigned meaning and the
> personally felt sense". Rather I use Hegel's approach in which the
> Individual and Universal are mediated by the Particular. This is a
relation
> which is applicable not just to motives, but any concept. It allows the
> meaning of the situation to be something which is *realised*. This word
> "realised" is what Wiulliam James would have described as a
> "double-barrelled word" (following Charles Dickens' "double barrelled
> compliment), in that it means both "realised" in the objective sense of
> "made real", as in "The plan was at last realised when the judge delivered
> his verdict," and subjective in the sense of "woke up to", as in "I
> realised that my efforts to reconcile with my wife were doomed to
failure."
> I believe that this resolves certain problems which arise in Actvity
> Theory, but remaining within the Activity approach as outlined in your
> excellent paper.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > Holodynski, Manfred wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear colleagues,
> >>
> >> thank you very much for all your valued comments on my article. There
> are a lot of aspects already discussed and I have some difficulties to
> follow all lines of argumentation. Therefore, I would like to answer to
the
> following:
> >>
> >> 1. Emotions as psychological function within the macrostructure of
> activity.
> >>
> >> As Andy claims it I get my Activity Theory from AN Leont'ev and I
> focused especially on his concept of macrostructure of activity and its
> levels of activity that is related to motives, actions that are related to
> goals and operations that are related to the conditions under which an
> action is given. And Andy gets precisely to the heart of it when he stated
> that my article needs to be read with attention to motivation and how the
> macrostructure of an activity is related to the motives and goals of an
> individual. One activity can be realized by different actions, and one
> action can realize different activities.
> >>
> >> May I quote Andy's words:
> >>
> >> " Because motives are not given to immediate perception; they have to
> be inferred/learnt. Emotional expression and experience signal the
success,
> failure, frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives for both
> participant/observers and the individual subject themself, emotion is tied
> up with motives and goals and therefore with the structure of an activity.
> One and the same action could be part of different actions activities
(!)
> (MH). It is the emotions which signal (internally and externally) the
> success, etc., etc., that is, in an action's furthering an activity, and
it
> is this which makes manifest and actual that connection between action and
> activity, for both the observer/participant and the individual subject.
> >>
> >> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
> intelligent infants, etc."
> >>
> >> a) Take the example of the opening of the window. That's the behavior.
> What's the goal?
> >>
> >> b) Imagine the person is a leader and opens the window in order to
> greet his followers and to hold a speech. That's the goal. What is the
> activity?
> >>
> >> c) If one look at the circumstances one can derive that the speech is a
> part of a political activity in order to celebrate the election victory.
> So, if the leader also feels pride and enthusiasm about the victory there
> is coincidence between the publically assigned meaning and the personally
> felt sense of the situation. However, it may also be possible that he
> doesn't feel pride but a great burden and he personally feels to be
> overloaded with the duties and future expectations. Then the societal
> meaning assigned by the followers to this situation and the personal sense
> assigned by the leader himself are not congruent. The leader framed this
> situation under an achievement perspective whether he is able to fulfill
> the leadership.
> >>
> >> But, note when we talk about actions and activity, then we speak about
> an advanced level of activity e.g. in children or adults, but not in
> infants who start to have intentions but still not a mental image of a
> future state of affairs.
> >>
> >> 2. Differentiation between the basic level in infants and advanced
> level in older children:
> >>
> >> - A young infant has not already established a goal-driven level of
> actions. In the first weeks one can observe the acquisition of first
> operations and of first expectations what should happen. But these
> expectations are not yet represented as a mental image about the desired
> future states. This is the product of the acquisition of a sign system
> which enables the person to evoke and imagine a future state in the here
> and now and to start to strive for it. And for this starting point, not
> only to imagine different future states, but also to select one of them
and
> to start to strive for it, emotional processes come into play that color
> one of the imagined future state e.g. in a state worth striving for and
> that mobilize the executive power to start striving for it.
> >>
> >> However, the ability to form such notions of goals and to transform
> them into actions is not something that occurs automatically. It emerges
in
> a long-drawn ontogenetic learning process in which the attainment of goals
> through actions is tried, tested, and increasingly optimized. Older
> children are
> >>
> >> So, for an understanding of my emotion concept the macrostructure of an
> activity is very decisive because I embedded emotions as a specific
> psychological function within the macrostructure of an activity.
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Manfred
> >>
> >> Prof. Dr. Manfred Holodynski
> >>
> >> Institut f|r Psychologie in Bildung und Erziehung
> >>
> >> Westfdlische Wilhelms-Universitdt M|nster
> >>
> >> Fliednerstr. 21
> >>
> >> D-48149 M|nster
> >>
> >> +49-(0)-251-83-34311
> >>
> >> +49-(0)-251-83-34310 (Sekretariat)
> >>
> >> +49-(0)-251-83-34314 (Fax)
> >>
> >> http://wwwpsy.uni-muenster.de/Psychologie.inst5/AEHolodynski/index.html
> >>
> >> manfred.holodynski@uni-muenster.de
> >>
> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Andy Blunden [mailto:ablunden@mira.net]
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Mdrz 2013 04:13
> >> An: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> Cc: Holodynski, Manfred
> >> Betreff: Re: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice
> >>
> >> Mike, Manfred gets his Activity Theory from AN Leontyev, rather than
> Engestrom's "systems of activity."
> >>
> >> So actions and activities are defined by their goals and motives. So
> Manfred's article needs to be read with attention to motivation and how
the
> structure of an activity is related to motives and goals. Because motives
> are not given to immediate perception; they have to be inferred/learnt.
> Emotional expression and experience signal the success, failure,
> frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives for both
> participant/observers and the individual subject themself, emotion is tied
> up with motives and goals and therefore with the structure of an activity.
> One and the same action could be part of different actions. It is the
> emotions which signal (internally and externally) the success, etc., etc.,
> that is, in an action's furthering an activity, and it is this which makes
> manifest and actual that connection between action and activity, for both
> the observer/participant and the individual subject.
> >>
> >> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
> intelligent infants, etc.
> >>
> >> It's all in there.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> mike cole wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Andy - and here I was wondering why operation/action/activity were
> >>
> >> > not prominent in Manfred's article. Where does he lay out the views
in
> >>
> >> > this note? Am I reading too superficially as usual? Seems important
> >>
> >> > for me to get clear about!
> >>
> >> > Mike
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, March 21, 2013, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Think of your illustration,Martin, about whether, in opening the
> >>
> >> > window, you were acting as a technician or moral leader. I.e., the
> >>
> >> > meaning of the action lies in the activity of which it is a part,
> >>
> >> > which is not immediately given. Manfred does not refer this to
> >>
> >> > "intention" or "belief". Manfred is quite specific that the
> >>
> >> > signalising and self-perception of an action in relation to an
> >>
> >> > activity - i.e., an action's being of this and not that activity -
> >>
> >> > is a function played by emotion. Concepts like internal state and
> >>
> >> > intention are derivative from operation/action/activity, not
> >>
> >> > fundamental.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Andy
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *Andy Blunden*
> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
> > http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden
> >
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Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:53:40 +0000
From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is
choice
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Oh! (he exclaims). My point was that Hegel is hardly the person to turn to
if one wants to avoid metaphysics! Individual, Universal, Particular -
there's a whole metaphysics here. Take a look at the Stanford Enc of
Philosophy entry on Hegel (link below) for a sense of the debate over this.
There has been an "orthodox or traditional understanding of Hegel as a
metaphysical thinker in the pre-Kantian dogmatic sense. This was
followed by a view by some that "particular works, such as the Phenomenology
of Spirit, or particular areas of Hegel's philosophy, especially his ethical
and political philosophy, can be understood as standing independently of the
type of unacceptable metaphysical system sketched above." (But Andy hates
the Phenomenology!) And then there are people who are "appealing to
contemporary analytic metaphysics as exemplifying a legitimate project of
philosophical inquiry into fundamental features or structures of the
world itself."
Myself, I'm closest to the last of these views. I don't think we want to
*avoid* metaphysics (ontology and epistemology) ; indeed I don't think that
is possible. rather, we need to adopt the *right* metaphysics. We can debate
what the criteria of that need to be. But to claim of a position, in
philosophy or the social sciences, that there is "No metaphysics here!" is a
tad naive.
<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel/>
Martin
On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought that what he said was avoiding it: back up your exclamation
Martin
> Carol
>
> On 23 March 2013 16:48, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>
>> I though you wanted to *avoid* metaphysics, Andy!
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Manfred for that clear explanation, and for correcting my
>> typing mistake! :(
>>> This might be an occasion to mention how my own development of Activity
>> Theory differs from yours and that of ANL.
>>> I do not work with duality of "the publically assigned meaning and the
>> personally felt sense". Rather I use Hegel's approach in which the
>> Individual and Universal are mediated by the Particular. This is a
relation
>> which is applicable not just to motives, but any concept. It allows the
>> meaning of the situation to be something which is *realised*. This word
>> "realised" is what Wiulliam James would have described as a
>> "double-barrelled word" (following Charles Dickens' "double barrelled
>> compliment), in that it means both "realised" in the objective sense of
>> "made real", as in "The plan was at last realised when the judge
delivered
>> his verdict," and subjective in the sense of "woke up to", as in "I
>> realised that my efforts to reconcile with my wife were doomed to
failure."
>> I believe that this resolves certain problems which arise in Actvity
>> Theory, but remaining within the Activity approach as outlined in your
>> excellent paper.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> Holodynski, Manfred wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> thank you very much for all your valued comments on my article. There
>> are a lot of aspects already discussed and I have some difficulties to
>> follow all lines of argumentation. Therefore, I would like to answer to
the
>> following:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Emotions as psychological function within the macrostructure of
>> activity.
>>>>
>>>> As Andy claims it I get my Activity Theory from AN Leont'ev and I
>> focused especially on his concept of macrostructure of activity and its
>> levels of activity that is related to motives, actions that are related
to
>> goals and operations that are related to the conditions under which an
>> action is given. And Andy gets precisely to the heart of it when he
stated
>> that my article needs to be read with attention to motivation and how the
>> macrostructure of an activity is related to the motives and goals of an
>> individual. One activity can be realized by different actions, and one
>> action can realize different activities.
>>>>
>>>> May I quote Andy's words:
>>>>
>>>> " Because motives are not given to immediate perception; they have to
>> be inferred/learnt. Emotional expression and experience signal the
success,
>> failure, frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives for both
>> participant/observers and the individual subject themself, emotion is
tied
>> up with motives and goals and therefore with the structure of an
activity.
>> One and the same action could be part of different actions activities
(!)
>> (MH). It is the emotions which signal (internally and externally) the
>> success, etc., etc., that is, in an action's furthering an activity, and
it
>> is this which makes manifest and actual that connection between action
and
>> activity, for both the observer/participant and the individual subject.
>>>>
>>>> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
>> intelligent infants, etc."
>>>>
>>>> a) Take the example of the opening of the window. That's the behavior.
>> What's the goal?
>>>>
>>>> b) Imagine the person is a leader and opens the window in order to
>> greet his followers and to hold a speech. That's the goal. What is the
>> activity?
>>>>
>>>> c) If one look at the circumstances one can derive that the speech is a
>> part of a political activity in order to celebrate the election victory.
>> So, if the leader also feels pride and enthusiasm about the victory there
>> is coincidence between the publically assigned meaning and the personally
>> felt sense of the situation. However, it may also be possible that he
>> doesn't feel pride but a great burden and he personally feels to be
>> overloaded with the duties and future expectations. Then the societal
>> meaning assigned by the followers to this situation and the personal
sense
>> assigned by the leader himself are not congruent. The leader framed this
>> situation under an achievement perspective whether he is able to fulfill
>> the leadership.
>>>>
>>>> But, note when we talk about actions and activity, then we speak about
>> an advanced level of activity e.g. in children or adults, but not in
>> infants who start to have intentions but still not a mental image of a
>> future state of affairs.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Differentiation between the basic level in infants and advanced
>> level in older children:
>>>>
>>>> - A young infant has not already established a goal-driven level of
>> actions. In the first weeks one can observe the acquisition of first
>> operations and of first expectations what should happen. But these
>> expectations are not yet represented as a mental image about the desired
>> future states. This is the product of the acquisition of a sign system
>> which enables the person to evoke and imagine a future state in the here
>> and now and to start to strive for it. And for this starting point, not
>> only to imagine different future states, but also to select one of them
and
>> to start to strive for it, emotional processes come into play that color
>> one of the imagined future state e.g. in a state worth striving for and
>> that mobilize the executive power to start striving for it.
>>>>
>>>> However, the ability to form such notions of goals and to transform
>> them into actions is not something that occurs automatically. It emerges
in
>> a long-drawn ontogenetic learning process in which the attainment of
goals
>> through actions is tried, tested, and increasingly optimized. Older
>> children are
>>>>
>>>> So, for an understanding of my emotion concept the macrostructure of an
>> activity is very decisive because I embedded emotions as a specific
>> psychological function within the macrostructure of an activity.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Manfred
>>>>
>>>> Prof. Dr. Manfred Holodynski
>>>>
>>>> Institut f|r Psychologie in Bildung und Erziehung
>>>>
>>>> Westfdlische Wilhelms-Universitdt M|nster
>>>>
>>>> Fliednerstr. 21
>>>>
>>>> D-48149 M|nster
>>>>
>>>> +49-(0)-251-83-34311
>>>>
>>>> +49-(0)-251-83-34310 (Sekretariat)
>>>>
>>>> +49-(0)-251-83-34314 (Fax)
>>>>
>>>> http://wwwpsy.uni-muenster.de/Psychologie.inst5/AEHolodynski/index.html
>>>>
>>>> manfred.holodynski@uni-muenster.de
>>>>
>>>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: Andy Blunden [mailto:ablunden@mira.net]
>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Mdrz 2013 04:13
>>>> An: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> Cc: Holodynski, Manfred
>>>> Betreff: Re: Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice
>>>>
>>>> Mike, Manfred gets his Activity Theory from AN Leontyev, rather than
>> Engestrom's "systems of activity."
>>>>
>>>> So actions and activities are defined by their goals and motives. So
>> Manfred's article needs to be read with attention to motivation and how
the
>> structure of an activity is related to motives and goals. Because motives
>> are not given to immediate perception; they have to be inferred/learnt.
>> Emotional expression and experience signal the success, failure,
>> frustration, expectation, etc. of goals and motives for both
>> participant/observers and the individual subject themself, emotion is
tied
>> up with motives and goals and therefore with the structure of an
activity.
>> One and the same action could be part of different actions. It is the
>> emotions which signal (internally and externally) the success, etc.,
etc.,
>> that is, in an action's furthering an activity, and it is this which
makes
>> manifest and actual that connection between action and activity, for both
>> the observer/participant and the individual subject.
>>>>
>>>> So there is no metaphysics here. No hypothetical "states of mind", or
>> intelligent infants, etc.
>>>>
>>>> It's all in there.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> mike cole wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Andy - and here I was wondering why operation/action/activity were
>>>>
>>>>> not prominent in Manfred's article. Where does he lay out the views in
>>>>
>>>>> this note? Am I reading too superficially as usual? Seems important
>>>>
>>>>> for me to get clear about!
>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2013, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Think of your illustration,Martin, about whether, in opening the
>>>>
>>>>> window, you were acting as a technician or moral leader. I.e., the
>>>>
>>>>> meaning of the action lies in the activity of which it is a part,
>>>>
>>>>> which is not immediately given. Manfred does not refer this to
>>>>
>>>>> "intention" or "belief". Manfred is quite specific that the
>>>>
>>>>> signalising and self-perception of an action in relation to an
>>>>
>>>>> activity - i.e., an action's being of this and not that activity -
>>>>
>>>>> is a function played by emotion. Concepts like internal state and
>>>>
>>>>> intention are derivative from operation/action/activity, not
>>>>
>>>>> fundamental.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
>>> http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden
>>>
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>>
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>
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> Developmental psycholinguist: EMBED
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> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:54:53 +0000
From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Plus I'd want to know what happens to the funding for this position if
Scotland votes for independence.
Martin
p.s. odd that kilts were invented in such a climate! That's hardy!
On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Weather--I spent 40 months there doing my PhD. If the weather bureau says
> it is zero degrees C, and then you go and stand at the bus stop and there
> is a strong wind, and then you know what minus 16 degrees feels like.
> Don't trust the weatherman; go for the wind chill index and the effective
> temperature; these abound on-line. You have been warned :-))
>
> By the way, if there is no wind, this temperature can be tolerable. But
> that never happened in Edinburgh (this real life example comes from
> Iceland).
>
> Carol
>
> On 23 March 2013 18:38, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>
>> Elizabeth, having entered (albeit unintentionally) into the xmca
>> discussion, you *have * to explain this: SociAbility! :)
>>
>> By the way, I'd second Huw's comments: Edinburgh's a great place. Though
>> the weather gets a bit chilly. What does your husband say?
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <
>> nickrenz@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> OH! my goodness I did not mean to send that to the whole list (it was
>> meant to go to my husband, who understandably has some opinions about
where
>> we might live). However, having done so, I thank you for your input!
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Fein, Ph.D.
>>> Department of Comparative Human Development
>>> University of Chicago
>>> Postdoctoral Fellow, SociAbility
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
>> behalf of Huw Lloyd [huw.softdesigns@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:11 AM
>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
>>>
>>> On 23 March 2013 12:45, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <nickrenz@uchicago.edu
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Edinburgh y/n?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> y! It's a great place, but not for the weather shy.
>>>
>>> "High-flying" sounds like a complete put-off though. It reads "has no
>>> values of their own and will stand on other people in order to try to
>> look
>>> good". I suggest they send the person who wrote it to do city finance.
>>>
>>> Huw
>>>
>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
>> behalf
>>>> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
>>>> Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
>>>> Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
>>>> Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of
>> Edinburgh
>>>> To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (apologies for cross-posting)
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!)
>> developmental
>>>> psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the
>> ad on
>>>> to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group, and
>>>> want a fantastic colleague to join us.
>>>>
>>>> This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and it
>> is
>>>> an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant
>> Prof.
>>>> level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
>>>> successful applicant to focus on building a productive research program
>> and
>>>> group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to hire
>>>> highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
>>>>
>>>> The listing can be found here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
>>>>
>>>> The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the application
>>>> procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
>>>> individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next
year.
>>>>
>>>> The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
>>>> department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
>>>> Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be
>> also
>>>> be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
>>>> underrepresented areas, such as social development.
>>>>
>>>> Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular
>> strengths
>>>> in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental
>> cognitive
>>>> science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
>>>> department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
>>>>
>>>> For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to
>> perform
>>>> a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
>>>> culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season
every
>>>> summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
>>>> highlands are a short trip away.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Hugh Rabagliati
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>>
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>
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> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 20:20:44 +0200
From: Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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The kilt material was first used as being worn around the waist and then
thrown over the shoulder. Warmer that way.
Carol
On 23 March 2013 19:54, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> Plus I'd want to know what happens to the funding for this position if
> Scotland votes for independence.
>
> Martin
>
> p.s. odd that kilts were invented in such a climate! That's hardy!
>
> On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Weather--I spent 40 months there doing my PhD. If the weather bureau
> says
> > it is zero degrees C, and then you go and stand at the bus stop and
there
> > is a strong wind, and then you know what minus 16 degrees feels like.
> > Don't trust the weatherman; go for the wind chill index and the
effective
> > temperature; these abound on-line. You have been warned :-))
> >
> > By the way, if there is no wind, this temperature can be tolerable. But
> > that never happened in Edinburgh (this real life example comes from
> > Iceland).
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > On 23 March 2013 18:38, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Elizabeth, having entered (albeit unintentionally) into the xmca
> >> discussion, you *have * to explain this: SociAbility! :)
> >>
> >> By the way, I'd second Huw's comments: Edinburgh's a great place.
Though
> >> the weather gets a bit chilly. What does your husband say?
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <
> >> nickrenz@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> OH! my goodness I did not mean to send that to the whole list (it was
> >> meant to go to my husband, who understandably has some opinions about
> where
> >> we might live). However, having done so, I thank you for your input!
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth Fein, Ph.D.
> >>> Department of Comparative Human Development
> >>> University of Chicago
> >>> Postdoctoral Fellow, SociAbility
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
> >> behalf of Huw Lloyd [huw.softdesigns@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:11 AM
> >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
> Edinburgh
> >>>
> >>> On 23 March 2013 12:45, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <
> nickrenz@uchicago.edu
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Edinburgh y/n?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> y! It's a great place, but not for the weather shy.
> >>>
> >>> "High-flying" sounds like a complete put-off though. It reads "has
no
> >>> values of their own and will stand on other people in order to try to
> >> look
> >>> good". I suggest they send the person who wrote it to do city
> finance.
> >>>
> >>> Huw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> ________________________________________
> >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
> >> behalf
> >>>> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
> >>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> >>>> Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
> >>>> Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
> >>>> Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of
> >> Edinburgh
> >>>> To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> (apologies for cross-posting)
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!)
> >> developmental
> >>>> psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the
> >> ad on
> >>>> to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group,
> and
> >>>> want a fantastic colleague to join us.
> >>>>
> >>>> This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and
it
> >> is
> >>>> an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant
> >> Prof.
> >>>> level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
> >>>> successful applicant to focus on building a productive research
> program
> >> and
> >>>> group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to
> hire
> >>>> highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
> >>>>
> >>>> The listing can be found here:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
> >>>>
> >>>> The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the
application
> >>>> procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
> >>>> individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next
> year.
> >>>>
> >>>> The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
> >>>> department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
> >>>> Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be
> >> also
> >>>> be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
> >>>> underrepresented areas, such as social development.
> >>>>
> >>>> Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular
> >> strengths
> >>>> in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental
> >> cognitive
> >>>> science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
> >>>> department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
> >>>>
> >>>> For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to
> >> perform
> >>>> a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
> >>>> culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season
> every
> >>>> summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
> >>>> highlands are a short trip away.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Hugh Rabagliati
> >>>> __________________________________________
> >>>> _____
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> > Carol A Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > Developmental psycholinguist: EMBED
> > Academic, Researcher, Writer and Editor
> > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:21:30 +0000
From: Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
Edinburgh
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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On 23 March 2013 17:54, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> Plus I'd want to know what happens to the funding for this position if
> Scotland votes for independence.
>
> Martin
>
> p.s. odd that kilts were invented in such a climate! That's hardy!
>
That's just general celtic disposition, if you ask me. I spent a good year
there and every day was sunny.
The wind (breeze) helps to bring a bit of sun to the cloudiest of days.
Edinburgh is actually a warm spot for Scotland. Like most things it is
quite relative. If you go diving in the Scottish lochs then auld reekie's
weather is pretty mild.
Huw
>
> On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Weather--I spent 40 months there doing my PhD. If the weather bureau
> says
> > it is zero degrees C, and then you go and stand at the bus stop and
there
> > is a strong wind, and then you know what minus 16 degrees feels like.
> > Don't trust the weatherman; go for the wind chill index and the
effective
> > temperature; these abound on-line. You have been warned :-))
> >
> > By the way, if there is no wind, this temperature can be tolerable. But
> > that never happened in Edinburgh (this real life example comes from
> > Iceland).
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > On 23 March 2013 18:38, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Elizabeth, having entered (albeit unintentionally) into the xmca
> >> discussion, you *have * to explain this: SociAbility! :)
> >>
> >> By the way, I'd second Huw's comments: Edinburgh's a great place.
Though
> >> the weather gets a bit chilly. What does your husband say?
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On Mar 23, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <
> >> nickrenz@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> OH! my goodness I did not mean to send that to the whole list (it was
> >> meant to go to my husband, who understandably has some opinions about
> where
> >> we might live). However, having done so, I thank you for your input!
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth Fein, Ph.D.
> >>> Department of Comparative Human Development
> >>> University of Chicago
> >>> Postdoctoral Fellow, SociAbility
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
> >> behalf of Huw Lloyd [huw.softdesigns@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:11 AM
> >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of
> Edinburgh
> >>>
> >>> On 23 March 2013 12:45, Elizabeth Hadley Nickrenz <
> nickrenz@uchicago.edu
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Edinburgh y/n?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> y! It's a great place, but not for the weather shy.
> >>>
> >>> "High-flying" sounds like a complete put-off though. It reads "has
no
> >>> values of their own and will stand on other people in order to try to
> >> look
> >>> good". I suggest they send the person who wrote it to do city
> finance.
> >>>
> >>> Huw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> ________________________________________
> >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
> >> behalf
> >>>> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:43 AM
> >>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> >>>> Subject: [xmca] Developmental position at the University of Edinburgh
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> From: *Hugh Rabagliati*
> >>>> Date: Friday, March 22, 2013
> >>>> Subject: [COGDEVSOC] Developmental position at the University of
> >> Edinburgh
> >>>> To: cogdevsoc@virginia.edu, info-childes@googlegroups.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> (apologies for cross-posting)
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> The University of Edinburgh is looking to hire our third (!)
> >> developmental
> >>>> psychologist of the year. Please consider applying, or forwarding the
> >> ad on
> >>>> to high-flying postdocs and students. We're building a great group,
> and
> >>>> want a fantastic colleague to join us.
> >>>>
> >>>> This particular position is called a "Chancellor's Fellowship", and
it
> >> is
> >>>> an amazing deal. This is a research-intensive post at the Assistant
> >> Prof.
> >>>> level, with an extremely low teaching load initially, allowing the
> >>>> successful applicant to focus on building a productive research
> program
> >> and
> >>>> group. The Fellowships are part of a University-wide initiative to
> hire
> >>>> highly-productive, independent young scientists and scholars.
> >>>>
> >>>> The listing can be found here:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
https://www.vacancies.ed.ac.uk/pls/corehrrecruit/erq_jobspec_version_4.jobsp
ec?p_id=012088
> >>>>
> >>>> The closing date is soon -- 5pm GMT on April 18 -- but the
application
> >>>> procedure is not arduous, so I want to encourage applications from
> >>>> individuals who only planned on entering the job market arena next
> year.
> >>>>
> >>>> The area of interest within developmental psychology is open. The
> >>>> department has particular strengths in Language & Cognition, Human
> >>>> Cognitive Neuroscience, and Differential Psychology, but we would be
> >> also
> >>>> be interested in individuals who can boost our strengths in
> >>>> underrepresented areas, such as social development.
> >>>>
> >>>> Edinburgh is a historic, world-class university, with particular
> >> strengths
> >>>> in the behavioural and biomedical sciences. The interdepartmental
> >> cognitive
> >>>> science community is amongst the world's largest, and the psychology
> >>>> department has made a large number of junior hires in the last year.
> >>>>
> >>>> For those unclear about the non-academic benefits, I invite you to
> >> perform
> >>>> a google image search for "edinburgh". The city is both beautiful and
> >>>> culturally rich, with the world's largest cultural festival season
> every
> >>>> summer. An extinct volcano overlooks the Old Town, and the Scottish
> >>>> highlands are a short trip away.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Hugh Rabagliati
> >>>> __________________________________________
> >>>> _____
> >>>> xmca mailing list
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Carol A Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > Developmental psycholinguist: EMBED
> > Academic, Researcher, Writer and Editor
> > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
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