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Re: [xmca] New Poll Shortly
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Have you seen this, Mike? It's on Google books. Chapter 2 in particular...
Turner, V. W., & Bruner, E. M. (Eds.). (2001). The anthropology of experience. University of Illinois Press.
On Mar 2, 2013, at 4:13 PM, mike cole <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Re boundaries of experience and Dewey. In his book on education and
> experience he quotes "the poet" in a relevant way
> I am a part of all that I have met;
> Yet all experience is an arch wherethro'
> Gleams that untravell'd world, whose margin fades
> For ever and for ever when I move.
> The poet was Tennyson, the *I*, Ulysses.
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Larry Purss <email@example.com> wrote:
>> I find this topic very fertile ground which may need to be *reworked*.
>> Robert mentioned Dewey was criticized for not having an understanding of
>> the *tragic soul* Andy mentioned that an experienced must be *bounded*.
>> I would like to add further reflections from Tom Leddy's article you
>> attached on Dewey's Aesthetics. I am referring to page 34 & 35 where Dewey
>> is exploring the common substance of the Arts. This section is a response
>> to the *tragic soul* and *bounded* experience.
>> The creative process BEGINS with a "total seizure", a "mood", which
>> determines the development of art into parts. THIS *element* Dewey refers
>> to as a *penetrating quality* which is immediately experienced in all parts
>> of the work. It is so pervasive we take it for granted. Without this
>> penetrating quality the parts would only be mechanically related. The
>> organic whole IS the parts PERMEATED by this penetrating quality. It may be
>> called the SPIRIT of the work. It is also the work's *reality* in that it
>> makes us experience the work AS *real* This penetrating quality is the
>> BACKGOUND that qualifies everything in the foreground.
>> What are the *boundaries* of this background which Dewey calls *the
>> setting*? Dewey's answer is thought provoking. He assumes that although
>> experiences have bounded edges like those of their objects, the whole of
>> *an* experience, and especially its qualitative penetrating *spirit* within
>> the object, EXTENDS INDEFINITELY. This penetrating quality of the
>> experience is THAT which is not focused within the experience. The margins
>> of our experience shade into that indefinate expanse. This experiential
>> penetrating backgound is only made CONSCIOUS within the specific objects
>> that form the focus. Behind every explicit experience there is something
>> implicit that we call *vague* but this vagueness was not vague in the
>> ORIGINAL experience for this penetrating quality is a FUNCTION of the whole
>> *situation* An experience *is mystical*, Dewey believes, to the extent
>> this feeling of a penetrating background is INTENSE. This penetrating
>> quality is particularly intense in certain works of art, for example IN
>> TRAGEDY. A work of art must include something not understood.
>> I am not sure if Vygotsky shares a *family resemblance* with this
>> expansive, penetrating sense of *substance* which makes reality FEEL
>> *real*. The question of the boundedness of *an* experience, from Dewey's
>> understanding certainly was reflecting on the *tragic soul* within
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:17 AM, mike cole <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>> It all moves so quickly it is hard to take it all in, Larry, let alone
>>> find time to comment.I am still
>>> back on rhythmicity which I am thinking of from the perspective of
>>> someone who thinks of
>>> communication as patterns of coordination over time.
>>> In this regard, it seems to me that many of Durkheim's ideas in
>>> Elementary Forms of Religious
>>> Experience are highly relevant. Durkheim's pluses and minuses are, I
>>> know, a matter of important
>>> debate in themselves, but they come down to me through my engagement with
>>> cross cultural
>>> research through Levy-Bruhl and Piaget.
>>> And now, toss in the Bakhtin (the liar or the seer) and it should be
>>> enough to think about when we are being absent minded.
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Larry Purss <email@example.com>wrote:
>>>> This months themed issue linking felt experience with Bahktin's notion
>>>> of genre's and cultural-historical-activity theory wiil keep the current
>>>> dialgue with Dewey alive.
>>>> I'm anticipating a lively encounter.
>>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:20 AM, mike cole <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>>>> We will be re-posting the articles for discussion poll a little later
>>>>> morning and
>>>>> restarting the balloting so that the full menu is out there for people
>>>>> AND COMMENT ON!
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