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Re: [xmca] New Poll Shortly

Re boundaries of experience and Dewey. In his book on education and
experience he quotes "the poet" in a relevant way

I am a part of all that I have met;
Yet all experience is an arch wherethro'
Gleams that untravell'd world, whose margin fades
For ever and for ever when I move.

The poet was Tennyson, the *I*, Ulysses.


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>  I find this topic very fertile ground which may need to be *reworked*.
> Robert mentioned Dewey was criticized for not having an understanding of
> the *tragic soul*   Andy mentioned that an experienced must be *bounded*.
> I would like to add further reflections from Tom Leddy's article you
> attached on Dewey's Aesthetics. I am referring to page 34 & 35 where Dewey
> is exploring the common substance of the Arts. This section is a response
> to the *tragic soul* and *bounded* experience.
> The creative process BEGINS with a "total seizure", a "mood", which
> determines the development of art into parts.  THIS *element* Dewey refers
> to as a *penetrating quality* which is immediately experienced in all parts
> of the work. It is so pervasive we take it for granted. Without this
> penetrating quality the parts would only be mechanically related.  The
> organic whole IS the parts PERMEATED by this penetrating quality. It may be
> called the SPIRIT of the work. It is also the work's *reality* in that it
> makes us experience the work AS *real*  This penetrating quality is the
> BACKGOUND that qualifies everything in the foreground.
> What are the *boundaries* of this background which Dewey calls *the
> setting*?  Dewey's answer is thought provoking. He assumes that although
> experiences have bounded edges like those of their objects, the whole of
> *an* experience, and especially its qualitative penetrating *spirit* within
> the object, EXTENDS INDEFINITELY. This penetrating quality of the
> experience is THAT which is not focused within the experience.  The margins
> of our experience shade into that indefinate expanse.  This experiential
> penetrating backgound is only made CONSCIOUS within the specific objects
> that form the focus.  Behind every explicit experience there is something
> implicit that we call *vague* but this vagueness was not vague in the
> ORIGINAL experience for this penetrating quality is a FUNCTION of the whole
> *situation*  An experience *is mystical*, Dewey believes, to the extent
> this feeling of a penetrating background is INTENSE. This penetrating
> quality is particularly intense in certain works of art, for example IN
> TRAGEDY.  A work of art must include something not understood.
> I am not sure if Vygotsky shares a *family resemblance* with this
> expansive, penetrating sense of *substance* which makes reality FEEL
> *real*. The question of the boundedness of *an* experience, from Dewey's
> understanding certainly was reflecting on the *tragic soul* within
> *settings*.
> Larry
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:17 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It all moves so quickly it is hard to take it all in, Larry, let alone
>> find time to comment.I am still
>> back on rhythmicity which I am thinking of from the perspective of
>> someone who thinks of
>> communication as patterns of coordination over time.
>> In this regard, it seems to me that many of Durkheim's ideas in
>> Elementary Forms of Religious
>> Experience are highly relevant. Durkheim's pluses and minuses are, I
>> know, a matter of important
>> debate in themselves, but they come down to me through my engagement with
>> cross cultural
>> research through Levy-Bruhl and Piaget.
>> And now, toss in the Bakhtin (the liar or the seer) and it should be
>> enough to think about when we are being absent minded.
>> mike
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>> This months themed issue linking felt experience with Bahktin's notion
>>> of genre's and cultural-historical-activity theory wiil keep the current
>>> dialgue with Dewey alive.
>>> I'm anticipating a lively encounter.
>>> Larry
>>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:20 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> We will be re-posting the articles for discussion poll a little later
>>>> this
>>>> morning and
>>>> restarting the balloting so that the full menu is out there for people
>>>> to
>>>> read
>>>> :-)
>>>> mike
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