RE: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience

["Glassman, Michael" <glassman.13@osu.edu>]

Hi Larry,

It's interesting because the thread you mention is one of the first places I found when trying to understand vivencia (which is a long term project).  I think the idea that there is no English word for it is right.  Ortega y Gasset was both a perspectivist and a pragmatist, and I have read different people saying he was different things.  I have taken most of my current knowledge about vivencia from reading Fals Borda.  A student I had said perhaps the way to understand it is "life as we live it, or experience it."  From reading Fals Borda I think maybe this comes close.  It is what we do, our relationships to each other and to nature in a way that expresses our life, both our history and the ways in which we live at the moment, and what we look to become.  Fals Borda developed another concept out of it that in many ways is just beautiful (and I very rarely think of this stuff as beautiful), sentipasente (sorry if spelling is wrong).  Near as I can tell it is the combination of who we are in the heart and the strategies we adopt to survive, always a combination of the two that we need to keep in balance (I am sure there are people who understand this better than I do).  What Fals Borda and Vygotsky share is are the experiences, the vivencia if you will, of revolution and exile.

Michael
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 6:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience

Michael,
I also found this site for Orlando Fals Borda.
http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/falsborda.htm
If it is off topic please ignore. However, it is where my curiosity was
called or invited.

Larry

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>wrote:

> Perhaps another avenue to explore might be Ortega y Gasset's ideas on
> experience (which is probably in some ways reflective of Dewey) which was
> appropriated by Orlando Fals Borda in the concept of vivencia - which is
> very compelling - and became an important part of Fals-Borda's conception
> of Participatory Action Research.  This might then tie back to the earlier
> issue on PAR.
>
> Michael
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> To: Beth Ferholt
> Cc: Galina Zuckerman; John Shotter; Boris Meshcheryakov; eXtended Mind,
> Culture, Activity; James Wertsch; Alexander Asmolov
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience
>
> Thanks Beth--
>
> I ask, firstly, because there appear quite clear overlaps as you and Monica
> have been exploring.
>
> Secondly, we have two submissions to MCA on perezhivanie that are very
> focused on Russian authors. Over and above competing
> exegeses of the ideas of Vygotsky, Puyzerei, etc., it seems important that
> we figure out ways to explore different ways of thinking about the general
> category of "experience" that will be
> productive of new empirical and theoretical investigation.
>
> mike
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Monica and I have just started using the two concepts in conjunction, as
> > we write about the relation between play and learning and Dewey's ideas
> on
> > the relation between art and science in Art and Experience.  I am very
> > interested in any ref. you find as I have found none yet. Can I ask why
> you
> > ask now? Beth
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone written on uses of the term perezhivanie as used in the
> >> cultural
> >> historical tradition and Dewey's concept of experience? references?
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