Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

OK, everyone is far away from being an expert.
But........

How do you respond to the notion of "Self-regulated psychological system of
personality" as a synonym for perezhivanie and the discussion of similar
terms
in German and Spanish?

I find it interesting that Vasiliuk argues that perezhivanie is a special
kind of experience of "activity on oneself" in moments of crisis. The whole
idea of "individual activity" is a constant source of confusion for me, but
confronted with an example of a person's mate dying as the medium for
discussion of perezhivanie makes me stop and think.
mike

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Michael Levykh <mlevykh@shaw.ca> wrote:

>  Thank you, Mike. But I am far from being an expert. As for the
> discussion, I have been only passively following on and off this one.****
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> Michael ****
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> *From:* mike cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* October-01-11 3:57 PM
> *To:* Michael Levykh
> *Cc:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> *Subject:* Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie****
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> Good to have an expert involved, Michael.
> What is your interpretation of the recent discussion of this issue?
> mike****
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> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Michael Levykh <mlevykh@shaw.ca> wrote:***
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> I hope the following paragraph from my 2008 PhD Theses might shed a bit
> more light on your discussion: ****
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> Vasilyuk (1984) writes in his annotation to *Psikhologia Perezhivaniya*(Psychology of Perezhivaniye), that in order to manage (perezhits)
> “situations of stress, frustration, inner conflict, and life crisis, quite
> often a painful inner work has to be done in re-establishing inner
> equilibrium and reconstructing a new meaningful life” (para. 1, my
> translation). For him, even a painful experience in the past can be
> recreated as a positive, pleasurable, meaningful future-oriented experience
> of personality. Hence, perezhivaniye is a future-oriented, conscious, and
> individual emotional experience of past events achieved in the
> “here-and-now” through reflection on the individual’s struggle within
> himself/herself (e.g., as if struggling between the dual consciousness of
> self and the character he/she portrays) and with the social environment
> (e.g., his/her audience). Although perezhivaniye connotes mostly negative
> (painful) experience of the past, its future-orientedness provides
> possibilities for positive outcomes. Such positive possibilities are also
> reflected in Vygotsky’s optimistic views on cultural development in general.
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> Michael Levykh****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of mike cole
> Sent: October-01-11 2:53 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity
> Subject: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie****
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>  ****
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> Below are two snippets from Vasiliuk's book which have informed my,****
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> still forming, understanding (s) of perezhivanie as used by Russians.****
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> Its from Vasiliuk's book, The psych of experiencing. There is a ton to the
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> book of interest but****
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> these citations bring out a feature of perezhivanie that is not evident in
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> "lived through experience"****
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> nor even in "a mixture of emotion and cognition" versions.****
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>  ****
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> This book is written within a dialogue with activity theory. perezhivanie
> is****
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> translated as experiencing.****
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>  ****
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> mike****
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> But in this real world, in life, situations exist where the main problem**
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> cannot be solved either by practical activity, even the best-equipped, or
> by****
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> the most highly accurate reflection of that problem in the mind. If a
> person****
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> is threatened by danger he can try to save himself by running away, but as
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> R. Peters writes, “if a man is overcome by grief because his wife is dead,
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> what can be done of a specific sort to remedy *that *situation?”****
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>  ****
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>  ****
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>  ****
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> … when we speak of “generating meaning” what we have in mind is a****
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> special *activity****
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> on the part of the individual*. 7****
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>  ****
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> The specifics of this activity are determined by the peculiarities of the*
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> situations which put the individual under the necessity of experiencing. We
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> shall refer to these as critical situations. If one had to use one word
> only****
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> to define the nature of such situations one would have to say that they are
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> situations of impossibility. Impossibility of what? Impossibility of
> living,****
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> of realising the internal necessities of life.****
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> The struggle against that impossibility, the struggle to realise internal*
> ***
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> necessities — that is experiencing. Experiencing is the repair of a****
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> “disruption” of life, a work of restoration, proceed-ing as it were at
> right****
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> angles to the line of actualisation of life.****
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