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Re: [xmca] help on conscious awareness etc



On 7 August 2011 09:00, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> A few years ago we were discussing conscious awareness and people reported
> research on children remembering what they were thinking about an hour ago,
> and children's ability to deliberately lie, in this context, as ways of
> looking into conscious awareness of psychological functions.
>
> Can anyone either point me to the discussion, mentioned the name of the
> authors of these papers? I can't find it! :(
>
>
Results for searching the archive for " lie " attached.   The prefix to each
line is the suffix to the original archived mail url (so you can find it
with a browser).

Huw



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./Current.Mail/msg00253.html:Reason does not lie behind us, nor is that where the meeting of minds takes
./Current.Mail/msg00549.html:not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside knowledge
./Current.Mail/msg00550.html:not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside knowledge
./Current.Mail/msg00551.html:</tt><tt>not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside  
./Current.Mail/msg00552.html:&gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside 
./Current.Mail/msg00553.html:&gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./Current.Mail/msg00554.html:&gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./Current.Mail/msg00555.html:&gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./Current.Mail/msg00556.html:&gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./Current.Mail/msg00557.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./Current.Mail/msg00558.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./Current.Mail/msg00715.html:Goldberg (Luria's former grad student), for example, provides us with a more dynamic and dialectical view on asymmetry between hemispheres in terms of language development than traditionally was accepted.  Goldberg doesn't dispute the linkage of language to one of the hemispheres, but he treats it only as a special case of a more fundamental principle of brain organization.  He believes that the essential, core differences between the hemispheres lie in the differences between novelty and routinization of behavior.  Therefore, it is not the right-left asymmetry itself that matters,  but the existence of their asymmetric roles in learning. (I almost added &quot;learning activity&quot; here, but let's not rush).  Right seems to be more specialized in novel information, and left is more adapted to routinized analysis and synthesis.  It appears that some sort of broad transfer of function happens from right to left during language development  -- and not only during language development. 
./Current.Mail/msg00757.html:American learning theorist whose Russian was elementary and understanding hopelessly befuddled, as any Russian psychologist could confirm! And I temporarily have the odd property of being alive, so I might lie if someone asked me about these and related issues!!
./Current.Mail/msg00760.html:temporarily have the odd property of being alive, so I might lie if someone 
./Current.Mail/msg00950.html:I am trying to translate &quot;Tool and Sign in Child Development&quot;&#xA0;a coauthorship by Vygotsky and Luria (some people claim it is entirely by Vygotsky, but I am quite sure I have found at least one paragraph, on&#xA0;the invention of lie detectors and Freudian complexes,&#xA0;that expresses Luria's views but not Vygotsky's).
./Current.Mail/msg00956.html:I think that recognition tends to function at a societal level in an almost Althuserian sense to interpellate the poor and working class in such a way that the often accept their lot or at least they accept the validity of the system that places them where they are - which, in the US, is the educational system and the great myth of meritocracy. This sort of tacit acceptance spells trouble for any kind of revolutionary movement. Recovering the social psychological moment of recognition seems important to keep in mind as a way to help mobilize people to create change (and there are serious problems of recognition among the bourgeoisie as well that need to be addressed, and which, when addressed might pull more people into the struggle a la Engels - but your sympathies may not lie there).
./Current.Mail/msg00957.html:I think that recognition tends to function at a societal level in an almost Althuserian sense to interpellate the poor and working class in such a way that the often accept their lot or at least they accept the validity of the system that places them where they are - which, in the US, is the educational system and the great myth of meritocracy. This sort of tacit acceptance spells trouble for any kind of revolutionary movement. Recovering the social psychological moment of recognition seems important to keep in mind as a way to help mobilize people to create change (and there are serious problems of recognition among the bourgeoisie as well that need to be addressed, and which, when addressed might pull more people into the struggle a la Engels - but your sympathies may not lie there).
./Current.Mail/msg00971.html:It only works if we understand the sign as something qualitatively different from Galton's photographs and Lewin's&#xA0;movie footage: something that exists for two before it exists for one.&#xA0;But if the sign exists for the other BEFORE it exists for me, then its origins can hardly lie in my perceptions. 
./xmcamail.1995_09.dir/0070.html:work in front of the computer when you want to lie down...  ?<br>
./xmcamail.1995_09.dir/0075.html:may lie -- but I don't think anybody really has one yet. We are<br>
./xmcamail.1995_10.dir/0117.html:<i>&gt;The Learning Sciences lie at the boundary of the disciplines of education,</i><br>
./xmcamail.1995_10.dir/0216.html:causal origin of the act might well still lie in an individual's<br>
./xmcamail.1995_10.dir/0216.html:behaviorists, the ultimate causes of human action lie in the<br>
./xmcamail.1995_11.dir/0041.html:Mother was surprised and asked: "What did I lie to you about?"<br>
./xmcamail.1995_11.dir/0073.html:events lie on 'the same trajectory' as some present ones, to<br>
./xmcamail.1995_11.dir/0079.html:<i>&gt; events lie on 'the same trajectory' as some present ones, to</i><br>
./xmcamail.1996_01.dir/0043.html:uninformed thinking about language should lie at the heart of a<br>
./xmcamail.1996_04.dir/0209.html:adequate. Such matters, however, lie at the far frontier<br>
./xmcamail.1996_05.dir/0103.html:may well lie in more clearly exposing the totality of that matrix<br>
./xmcamail.1996_05.dir/0137.html:Somewhere in this tangle I think may lie the clues to more<br>
./xmcamail.1996_05.dir/0162.html:<i>&gt; may well lie in more clearly exposing the totality of that matrix</i><br>
./xmcamail.1996_05.dir/0308.html:uninformed thinking about language should lie at the heart of a <br>
./xmcamail.1996_05.dir/0394.html:Even with truths that lie too deep for taint.<br>
./xmcamail.1996_05.dir/0402.html:resulted in the lie detector.  Does anyone know the political context of<br>
./xmcamail.1996_05.dir/0404.html:job of showing exactly where the contradictions lie in a religious<br>
./xmcamail.1996_06.dir/0058.html:poverty of the early Mind, but the enormous potentialities that lie within it,<br>
./xmcamail.1996_08.dir/0147.html:value, it may lie in that uncomfortable zone (for many of us)<br>
./xmcamail.1996_09.dir/0167.html:"What, what did I lie to you about?" replied the surprised mother.<br>
./xmcamail.1996_09.dir/0167.html:"You told me a lie that the babies are born from a womb of a woman. It is a<br>
./xmcamail.1996_09.dir/0174.html:<i>&gt;"What, what did I lie to you about?" replied the surprised mother.</i><br>
./xmcamail.1996_09.dir/0174.html:<i>&gt;"You told me a lie that the babies are born from a womb of a woman. It is a</i><br>
./xmcamail.1997_09.dir/0092.html:the point of these technical exercises does not lie in their detailed<br>
./xmcamail.1997_09.dir/0154.html:examples lie under a very complex structure that is often obfuscated... we<br>
./xmcamail.1997_09.dir/0158.html:<i>&gt;examples lie under a very complex structure that is often obfuscated... we</i><br>
./xmcamail.1997_10.dir/0541.html:while the latter are more like things. In between lie classes of boundary<br>
./xmcamail.1997_11.dir/0011.html:I think that the fault may lie in the distance education paradigm. It is<br>
./xmcamail.1997_11.dir/0236.html:catastrophic and blast their way through the filters, lie outside the<br>
./xmcamail.1998_01.dir/0154.html:UCSB. My primary theoretical orientations lie with <br>
./xmcamail.1998_01.dir/0178.html:<i>&gt;UCSB. My primary theoretical orientations lie with</i><br>
./xmcamail.1998_01.dir/0314.html:<i>&gt;necessarily lie in the past; they are not acting when their effect is</i><br>
./xmcamail.1998_01.dir/0316.html:<i>&gt;&gt;necessarily lie in the past; they are not acting when their effect is</i><br>
./xmcamail.1998_01.dir/0318.html:<i>&gt;&gt;&gt;necessarily lie in the past; they are not acting when their effect is</i><br>
./xmcamail.1998_02.dir/0168.html:or I lie to people in positions of power habitually, ...and I react often<br>
./xmcamail.1998_05.dir/0159.html: which lie beneath a single<br>
./xmcamail.1998_05.dir/0331.html:would probably not lie in the things discernible but rather in strings<br>
./xmcamail.1998_05.dir/0333.html:would probably not lie in the things discernible but rather in strings<br>
./xmcamail.1998_05.dir/0340.html:<i>&gt; would probably not lie in the things discernible but rather in strings</i><br>
./xmcamail.1998_07.dir/0056.html:out what constraints or limitations lie with the Manifold, with our<br>
./xmcamail.1998_09.dir/0036.html:a sin (Deuteronomy 27:21). Adam ttried to force Lilith to lie beneath him in=<br>
./xmcamail.1998_09.dir/0041.html:outside the domain of experience. Whatever may lie beyond experience is<br>
./xmcamail.1998_09.dir/0110.html:Dewey (p 11), that a partial solution might lie in recognizing the<br>
./xmcamail.1998_11.dir/0322.html:of the modern lie detector. The very popularity of the research<br>
./xmcamail.1999_01.dir/0019.html:the other memes lie within one standard deviation (sqrt(n)) of the<br>
./xmcamail.1999_01.dir/0019.html:concave (FIGURE 2). These lie on the x1,x2, x3, and x4 axes,<br>
./xmcamail.1999_01.dir/0019.html:    SPACE. Bumpy, Striped, Permeable and Concave lie on the x1, x2, x3,<br>
./xmcamail.1999_01.dir/0019.html:rabbit memories lie close enough to meme X to get evoked in the<br>
./xmcamail.1999_03.dir/0248.html:Ferreiro holds that the differences between her and Luria lie in the<br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0082.html:heterosexuality-homosexuality lie along a continuum; therefore, such<br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0092.html:<i>&gt;heterosexuality-homosexuality lie along a continuum; therefore, such</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0126.html:that if we make schools more like prisons, lie dedectors, security guards,<br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0130.html:<i>&gt;that if we make schools more like prisons, lie dedectors, security guards,</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0131.html:<i>&gt; that if we make schools more like prisons, lie dedectors, security guards,</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0132.html:<i>&gt;that if we make schools more like prisons, lie dedectors, security guards,</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0134.html:students were targeted.  But my american media has been known to lie to me<br>
./xmcamail.1999_04.dir/0134.html:<i>&gt; &gt; that if we make schools more like prisons, lie dedectors, security</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_05.dir/0102.html:projection of where the centers of gravity would lie in future<br>
./xmcamail.1999_05.dir/0201.html:are ethical (don't steal or lie to the boss)<br>
./xmcamail.1999_05.dir/0211.html:<i>&gt; are ethical (don't steal or lie to the boss)</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_05.dir/0217.html:<i>&gt; are ethical (don't steal or lie to the boss)</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_06.dir/0046.html:the dark trick of retrospective recounting, the past tense ... the lie at<br>
./xmcamail.1999_08.dir/0060.html:from being a big lie often do not handle particulars very well.<br>
./xmcamail.1999_08.dir/0088.html:not ignored. Again, this is not to say that my sympathies lie with Daly. For <br>
./xmcamail.1999_08.dir/0173.html:rigidity of idealist dialectics changes the fact that opposing forces lie at<br>
./xmcamail.1999_08.dir/0188.html:styles so that students can lie on the floor, listen to soft music, etc.<br>
./xmcamail.1999_08.dir/0190.html:<i>&gt; styles so that students can lie on the floor, listen to soft music, etc.</i><br>
./xmcamail.1999_09.dir/0144.html:This [mystical] way of thinking about God does not lie at the disposal of<br>
./xmcamail.1999_11.dir/0037.html:The answer would seem to lie in the activities of "the village(rs)".<br>
./xmcamail.1999_11.dir/0043.html:The problem may lie in the nature of our organizations, rather than in <br>
./xmcamail.1999_11.dir/0046.html:The problem may lie in the nature of our organizations, rather than in<br>
./xmcamail.1999_12.dir/0073.html:steal, or lie -- the kids will grow criminals. In Japan, many educators seem
./xmcamail.1999_12.dir/0076.html:<EM>&gt;steal, or lie -- the kids will grow criminals. In Japan, many educators seem
./xmcamail.1999_12.dir/0107.html:'It's easy to lie with statistics, but it's easier 
./xmcamail.1999_12.dir/0107.html:to lie without them.'  In Central L. A., there are
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0077.html:way.  A frequent reason for reporting something as a lie is that we want to 
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0124.html:paths -- who knows what international cultural movements lie ahead, what
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0203.html:<P>I can't lie to you.
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0284.html:for coming up with this idea all lie embedded in Bermudez's book as
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0311.html:this work in which subjects were taken and given this lie detector test to
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0389.html:story about the lie detector (which occurred, I thought, in the 20s, rather
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0392.html:story about the lie detector (which occurred, I thought, in the 20s, rather
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0392.html:combined-motor method- into the prototype of the modern lie detector. The
./xmcamail.2000_01.dir/0407.html:method, but who ever heard of that? A lie detector test, now that
./xmcamail.2000_02.dir/0100.html:where the contradictions lie and that what is within them forms in some 
./xmcamail.2000_06.dir/0149.html:attention on important challenges that lie ahead. The workshops and 
./xmcamail.2000_08.dir/0189.html:they are formed. Affinities are relationals; they never lie in one 
./xmcamail.2000_08.dir/0216.html:<P>In contradistinction, all affinities emerge evolutively from the sum total of the transactions of a structure (including, in case, those of its predecessors in its line of origin) with encountering structures; and if at all something like association may be the least suitable way they are formed. Affinities are relational; they never lie in one structure alone. Rather affinity means a kind of fitness of a structure in its normal environment. I asked myself whether evolutionary biologists would not do well to avoid their overall functionalism and better conceive of fitness of organisms and of environmental settings or parts thereof in terms of affinity.
./xmcamail.2000_09.dir/0016.html:could add &quot;cognition&quot; and identity lie is a very practical question as Helen
./xmcamail.2000_09.dir/0017.html:<EM>&gt;could add &quot;cognition&quot; and identity lie is a very practical question as 
./xmcamail.2000_09.dir/0068.html:<EM>&gt; could add &quot;cognition&quot; and identity lie is a very practical question as Helen
./xmcamail.2000_10.dir/0021.html:attention on important challenges that lie ahead. The workshops and 
./xmcamail.2000_10.dir/0048.html:consciousness.  But in reality there lie beyond these phenomena the
./xmcamail.2000_10.dir/0049.html:consciousness.  But in reality there lie beyond these phenomena the
./xmcamail.2000_11.dir/0054.html:maintenance are routine practices puts the lie to that common
./xmcamail.2001_01.dir/0082.html:<EM>&gt; organized. They would lie outside activity theory/cultural psychology in
./xmcamail.2001_01.dir/0128.html:totalitarianism. the difference may lie in which collective acts out -
./xmcamail.2001_03.dir/0054.html:<P>Bart wouldn't lie you know.
./xmcamail.2001_03.dir/0057.html:<EM>&gt; Bart wouldn't lie you know.
./xmcamail.2001_04.dir/0384.html:are needed, there being nothing to steal. Heaps of garbage and ashes lie in 
./xmcamail.2001_05.dir/0079.html:mythical thought similarly lie half-way between percepts and concepts.&quot;
./xmcamail.2001_05.dir/0081.html:mythical thought similarly lie half-way between percepts and concepts.&quot;
./xmcamail.2001_05.dir/0083.html:mythical thought similarly lie half-way between percepts and concepts.&quot;
./xmcamail.2001_05.dir/0170.html:<EM>&gt;When the day is done Do you lie in your bed
./xmcamail.2001_06.dir/0055.html:beneath the surface lie the positivists and the RO1 calculators (who measure
./xmcamail.2001_07.dir/0014.html:Where school kids lie in puddles of their blood?
./xmcamail.2001_07.dir/0057.html:occur all the time, so that issue must lie with your use of the term
./xmcamail.2001_07.dir/0063.html:<EM>&gt; occur all the time, so that issue must lie with your use of the term
./xmcamail.2001_08.dir/0004.html:often lie at one point or another in between the spurious 'correct' answer. 
./xmcamail.2001_08.dir/0086.html:the answers lie in more complicated questions. 
./xmcamail.2001_08.dir/0088.html:the answers lie in more complicated questions. 
./xmcamail.2001_08.dir/0091.html:the answers lie in more complicated questions. 
./xmcamail.2001_09.dir/0146.html:origins of Ireland lie in past hopelessness, and it is sustained by cultural
./xmcamail.2001_09.dir/0147.html:<EM>&gt; origins of Ireland lie in past hopelessness, and it is sustained by cultural
./xmcamail.2001_09.dir/0209.html:by this twofold action, fulfill the precept of the Lord, as lie commands in 
./xmcamail.2001_09.dir/0221.html:the old lie &quot;dulce et
./xmcamail.2001_09.dir/0294.html:<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and on page 255 -  &quot;But the roots of discontent lie deeper, in
./xmcamail.2001_10.dir/0063.html:of these constructs is not within boolean logic, nor does it lie within any 
./xmcamail.2001_10.dir/0096.html:linkage of the phenomena that lie within a single area. But as soon as we
./xmcamail.2001_10.dir/0096.html:facts that lie outside of them. In this way the search for an explanatory
./xmcamail.2001_10.dir/0129.html:two call the social world), so that the foundations of meaning lie not in 
./xmcamail.2001_10.dir/0210.html:mathematicians, those minor technical matters lie at the heart of the
./xmcamail.2001_10.dir/0241.html:&nbsp;novel about this stuff, it was all a lie (read this sentence again
./xmcamail.2001_10.dir/0242.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;novel about this stuff, it was all a lie (read this sentence again
./xmcamail.2001_12.dir/0081.html:'Let it lie in a dish!'
./xmcamail.2001_12.dir/0126.html:in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or  you will get a
./xmcamail.2001_12.dir/0130.html:<EM>&gt; in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or  you will get a
./xmcamail.2001_12.dir/0143.html:<EM>&gt;&gt; in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or  you will get a
./xmcamail.2001_12.dir/0182.html:in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or you will get a 
./xmcamail.2001_12.dir/0192.html:<EM>&gt; in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or you will get a
./xmcamail.2002_01.dir/0080.html:'Let it lie in a dish!'
./xmcamail.2002_01.dir/0125.html:in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or  you will get a
./xmcamail.2002_01.dir/0129.html:<EM>&gt; in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or  you will get a
./xmcamail.2002_01.dir/0142.html:<EM>&gt;&gt; in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or  you will get a
./xmcamail.2002_01.dir/0181.html:in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or you will get a 
./xmcamail.2002_01.dir/0191.html:<EM>&gt; in a lie. Do not try to lie more to get out of it, or you will get a
./xmcamail.2002_02.dir/0121.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;Our collective experiences put the lie to the cynical view
./xmcamail.2002_07.dir/0162.html:<P>Then there are the &quot;blocked-but-game&quot; folks. This is a hard one for me. Their spirit tells me to let them play, but there are the pragmatic elements of creating a group of players who can &quot;lift off&quot; and create exciting theater.  Their gifts most likely lie in other areas, but not Theater. What do you do with these people? They are wonderful people, but have limited gifts reletive to your vision. AND you never know when they might have a breakthrough.  I feel terrible asking them to leave. (and sometimes don't) They add to the group spirit and become a part of the community. I am always asking myself, what's the right thing to do regarding these players.
./xmcamail.2002_07.dir/0165.html:to lie in one of centres of thought, rather than here on the edge of the
./xmcamail.2002_07.dir/0166.html:<EM>&gt; to lie in one of centres of thought, rather than here on the edge of the
./xmcamail.2002_12.dir/0019.html:among theory, practice, and policy, and whose substantive interests lie 
./xmcamail.2002_12.dir/0019.html:&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=&quot;BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px&quot; TYPE=&quot;CITE&quot;&gt;Harvard Graduate School of Education &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The Harvard Graduate School of Education (HGSE) invites applications &lt;BR&gt;from &lt;BR&gt;scholars for a two year residential postdoctoral fellowship. In &lt;BR&gt;particular, we encourage applications from recent Ph.D.s or Ed.D.s who &lt;BR&gt;are &lt;BR&gt;members of ethnic minority groups that are under-represented in American &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;universities. Special consideration will be given to applicants who &lt;BR&gt;show &lt;BR&gt;commitment to careers in university research and teaching related to the &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;improvement of education, and whose life experiences and research will &lt;BR&gt;contribute to diversity and excellence at the School. We particularly &lt;BR&gt;encourage applications from individuals whose research makes the links &lt;BR&gt;among theory, practice, and policy, and whose substantive interests lie &lt;BR&gt;in &lt;BR&gt;the field of cognitive science - especiall!
./xmcamail.2002_12.dir/0140.html:consciousness lie outside it in social life. Therefore, the objective 
./xmcamail.2002_12.dir/0141.html:<EM>&gt;He said that the processes that animate and form consciousness lie outside 
./xmcamail.2003_01.dir/0059.html:<P>The Causal Commerce and Risks-as-Gambles metaphors lie behind our
./xmcamail.2003_05.dir/0040.html:<EM>&gt;not acceptable. Nothing is worth that kind of lie - - not oil, not 
./xmcamail.2003_06.dir/0030.html:don't think that this third choice has to lie &quot;between&quot; realism and
./xmcamail.2003_09.dir/0182.html:are both telling a lie and evading the generative power of conflict and 
./xmcamail.2003_10.dir/0012.html:<EM>&gt; are both telling a lie and evading the generative power of conflict and
./xmcamail.2004_01.dir/0002.html:<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;1.3. Changing states of the proletariat and corresponding changes in the objects of proletarian class struggle:  The changing states of proletarian unity and of the relations of at least the middle and higher sectors of the working class to the means of production has and will have considerable influence on the way these elements will concretize the objectives of their struggle for class dominance.  The proletariat of the 19th century was as Marx describes it in the Grundrisse (1939, Introduction pp.104 -105 ) and Capital (1906, Part 1.  pp.41-54, Part 2. pp. 185-196 ) a homogeneous labor force whose work capacity was so undifferentiated that its contributions could be measured as abstract labor, i.e. purely in terms of labor hours.  By the mid 30's and 40's engineers and economists who tried applying Taylor's (1911 The Principles of Scientific Management) time-motion study tool for measures of labor value realized that abstract labor was a sorely inadequate tool.  Training, experience, talent, and general intelligence among other things all had important parts to play in the evaluation of labor.  The relegation of time-motion study to an auxilliary tool for modern methods of job evaluation is indicative of just how heterogeneous is the current work-force.  The socialist resolution of class conflict between labor and capital was theoretically and practically based upon the homogeneity of industrial labor.  Where the only distinction between one job and the next is a measure of the intensity and duration of physical labor, then, outside of work-time,  any just differentiation of income should be based on the diversity of  needs between laborers. It also means that all jobs needed to maintain a viable society can be done by anyone.  These two assumptions lie at the root of the theory and practice of egalitarian, democratic, socialist enterprise.   The dilution and decline of socialist society is basically the history of the evolution of the consciousness of members of socialist communities towards the realization that their adherence to the principle of the homogeneity of industrial labor and its measurement as abstract labor endangered their survival as a community and even their capacity to physically survive industrial civilization. For example, among the practices that most compromised the survival of smaller democratic socialist communities was a the egalitarian distribution of income and the felt obligation to meet a considerable proportion of the individual needs of individual members.  Operating together these two practices generally drove personal incomes to levels that seriously effected the capacity of communal industry for supporting community income.  In general the community, coerced by market conditions, had to sell at a loss and fill in the deficit by taking out loans.   In short, there are absolutely no signs that proletarian society will be a homogeneous one or that it will be any less competitive than its capitalist predecessor, so the likelihood of a dominant working class adopting socialist economic formations and of evolution of viable socialist organizations within a proletarian dominated economy is extremely small.   While the high proletariat's access to great wealth and influence gives it considerable power for change this is counterbalanced by its relatively small size and its strong vested interests in current conditions.  The working classes that are most likely to make the most extensive revolutionary changes in future political-economies of the developed and developing world are the middle ranges of the proletariat -the skilled technicians, researchers, and specialist operators and supervisors of productive systems.   They are a much larger group than the high proletariat and the relative insecurity of their social position and their importance for the operation and development of current and future industrial society makes them the most influential and potentially disruptive force i
./xmcamail.2004_01.dir/0056.html:Do emotional states lie along continua in several dimensions? do we break 
./xmcamail.2004_01.dir/0072.html:<EM>&gt; Do emotional states lie along continua in several dimensions? do we break
./xmcamail.2004_01.dir/0091.html:<EM>&gt; &gt; Do emotional states lie along continua in several dimensions? do we break
./xmcamail.2004_01.dir/0092.html:someone who is ready to lie his country into an unjust war? Someone who 
./xmcamail.2004_01.dir/0157.html:<EM>&gt;hold of Mead's research methodology may lie in this direction.
./xmcamail.2004_04.dir/0102.html:<P>As for the wierdness of Luria's work on lie detectors and having a friend's
./xmcamail.2004_04.dir/0102.html:a lie detector and its use preceeded Stalin's rise to power by many years.
./xmcamail.2004_04.dir/0110.html:<EM>&gt; As for the wierdness of Luria's work on lie detectors and having a
./xmcamail.2004_04.dir/0110.html:<EM>&gt; a lie detector and its use preceeded Stalin's rise to power by many years.
./xmcamail.2004_04.dir/0112.html:I was thinking, for example, of claims about Luria and lie detectors. By an
./xmcamail.2004_04.dir/0113.html:<EM>&gt; I was thinking, for example, of claims about Luria and lie detectors.
./xmcamail.2004_04.dir/0115.html:<EM>&gt; I was thinking, for example, of claims about Luria and lie detectors. By
./xmcamail.2004_05.dir/0204.html:1.  Perception and particularly perception understood as artefact rather than as biomechanics refers more or less to some of the more basic (primitive?)modes of the productive process, or labour (remember? the human transformation of (a part of)nature into a cultural artefact).  Vygotsky's experiments in development of speech demonstrates just how critical the earliest stages of language learning are for the determinations of being, quantity, measure etc. that lie at the root of the productive process.  Equally important, is his discovery that many of these basicdeterminations are acquired from social experience preceeding even the earliest stage of language learning while others are learned through non-verbal learning even long after language skills have been achieved. If, indeed, perception refers to the basic stages of the productive process, then Wartovsky's article should have first devoted to the interpretation of the currently popular term, &quot;perception,&quot; in terms of the CHAT paradigm.  My general impression of the article is that MW more than less accepts the basically contemplative orientation of the positivist definition of perception and then opposes it to praxis (the fancy word for practice)!  MW, accepts the positivist view of primitive modes of production as contemplation, distinguishes it from &quot;real&quot; production and &quot;real&quot; products and then goes on to suggest that the relation between contemplative perception and active production is a worthy subject for research.  The only real justification he gives to this distinction is an uncritical acceptance of positivist definitions of perception as contemplation. Experience and reason should show us that primitive modes of production, e.g. regarding a tree as pruned or still deserving of more attention by the pruner, is an integral part of any practice no matter how complex, in the aforementioned example; pruning a row of fruit trees. There is no earthly reason to regard them as distinctive categories of action.
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00017.html:2002 on, Bush, Cheney and the others began to lie to America. First they
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00022.html:  Bush, Cheney and the others began to lie to America. First they scared them 
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00033.html:who said that <BR>if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. He 
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00034.html:  repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. He is now being 
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00039.html:They lie to the patient to save his or her feelings, to keep hope, and prevent
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00042.html:  to the closest relatives. They lie to the patient to save his or her feelings, 
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00061.html:relatives. They lie to the patient to save his or her feelings, to keep hope,
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00062.html:    the truth to the closest relatives. They lie to the patient to save his or 
./xmcamail.2004_07.dir/msg00063.html:      but tells the truth to the closest relatives. They lie to the patient to 
./xmcamail.2004_09.dir/0039.html:<EM>&gt;challenges lie ahead for literacy learners in the coming century?
./xmcamail.2004_10.dir/0052.html:creationists and other anti-science tendencies may lie in not having a 
./xmcamail.2004_10.dir/0053.html:creationists and other anti-science tendencies may lie in not having a clear
./xmcamail.2004_10.dir/0057.html:<EM>&gt;     other anti-science tendencies may lie in not having a clear enough
./xmcamail.2004_10.dir/0063.html:creationists and other anti-science tendencies may lie in not having a clear
./xmcamail.2004_10.dir/0089.html:<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;Forgive me, this creation vs evolution discussion gets me a little fired up.  Allow me a few moments to pontificate.  I think the traditional arguments you outline that originally pushed religion out of education are weak and unable to successfully withstand the new waves of anti-scientific arguments that are challenging the teaching of science in public education today.  Some of the difficulties some people today face answering the creationists and other anti-science tendencies may lie in not having a clear enough understanding of how science is different from religion, and how religion in no way fulfills the necessary roles science does.  The old arguments you cite are no longer adequate. The achievement of &quot;consensus&quot; and the formulation of irrefutable &quot;scientific proofs&quot; are not what makes it necessary for the modern citizen to understand and participate in science or for the public schools to teach it.  This is an inadequate (and unrealistic) defense of science in our time, in my opinion.  What makes science necessary is mechanized agriculture, industry and modern social organization - often referred to as modern &quot;technology&quot;.  These cannot be operated at all, let alone responsibly, without a scientifically-oriented world population.  And today's planet of 6 billion plus people cannot be sustained without these technologies (in some form), which as things currently stand, is leaving billions woefully poverty-stricken and the environment in a death spiral.  To truly thrive, enormous changes are needed - and science is absolutely necessary for learning how to make these changes.  Take the issues of clean water, sanitation, and electrification - or any issues you please.  How can humanity rise to these challenges without using science: debating ideas, experimenting with different solutions, pooling experiences?  Religion, on the other hand, which I believe people have every right to practice as they choose, is useless in this regard.  As I see it, religion is not any kind of an alternative option to science in any way whatsoever.  Religion is something entirely different.  Religion and science are as different from one another as the children's book Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is different from the operator's manual for your car in your glove compartment.  
./xmcamail.2004_11.dir/msg00127.html:&gt; You lie and deceive
./xmcamail.2004_12.dir/0080.html:of activities whose objects lie in the constructable future. But we also 
./xmcamail.2005_01.dir/0049.html:Lying is just the tip of this iceberg, below it lie puns and jokes, and 
./xmcamail.2005_01.dir/0051.html:the tip of this iceberg, below it lie puns and jokes, and deep under the
./xmcamail.2005_01.dir/0113.html:by external and independent causes but by those that lie within ones sphere
./xmcamail.2005_01.dir/0116.html:<P>Vygotsky cites the case of Buridan's ass where the animal is unable to choose between the stimuli of two equal bales of hay and thus starves. He uses the tale to distinguish the possibility of freedom in human activity through the use of mediating artefacts. In the simple case of an inability to decide, a human may toss a coin. No matter that the point is trivial, the human has an additional means of interaction with external determination; the ass lacks such a means (Vygotsky, 1997). For Vygotsky, following Spinoza, the basis of freedom is man's ability to separate himself from his passions, from the contingencies of nature, and to make for himself a space within which he can determine his actions. Such actions are determined not by external and independent causes but by those that lie within ones sphere of ef?cacy. 
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0043.html:concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined 
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0044.html:<EM>&gt; concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0046.html:<EM>&gt; concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0062.html:<EM>&gt; &gt; concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0063.html:<EM>&gt;&gt; &gt; concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0064.html:<EM>&gt;  &gt; concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0065.html:<EM>&gt; concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined
./xmcamail.2005_03.dir/0079.html:<EM>&gt;&gt;concerns lie mostly in the ethical position of certain predetermined
./xmcamail.2005_05.dir/0032.html:who can mail me the texts of the english songs of the album alla pugacheva in stockholm sacred lie song bird loisy party captain what a miracle watch out.
./xmcamail.2005_07.dir/0033.html:<P>Taking semiotic mediation by means of the mdoality of language as my focus, I tried to figure out more clearly the structure of the activity we know as semiotic mediation in this sense. I approached this issue by way of grammar to try to work out what the permitted and necessary participants and circumstances in the activity of semiosis are. My reading of Vygotsky (which is limited to English translations and discussions) has led me to claim that two areas are particularly unsatisfactory. First,  Behind every act of semiotic mediation are social subjects; social subjects are necessarily socially positioned;  participants' social positioning is varied in a society due to inequalities in the distribution of power and control. Because all semiotic acts are also ideological acts, and because ideologies and social positioning are inherently related by 'socio-logic', it follows that socially differentally located subjects will tend to mediate different orders of meaning. It follows that mental dispositions/habits formed by virtue of distinct ways of meaning by language will create different orders of consciousness. So different categories of speaker-mediator need to be recognised. To misquote Basil Bernstein, all experience of semiosis has the potential to mediate: the differences in what is mediated lie -- at least partly -- in speaker variation. This vairation and its consequences to the best of my knowledge are not recognized in Vygotsky, nor by those who seem to rcommend and use his work for educational purposes. 
./xmcamail.2005_08.dir/0030.html:<P><P><P>&nbsp;In our morale must lie our strength:
./xmcamail.2005_08.dir/0031.html:<EM>&gt;  In our morale must lie our strength:
./xmcamail.2005_08.dir/0032.html:&nbsp;In our morale must lie our strength:
./xmcamail.2005_08.dir/0034.html:&nbsp;In our morale must lie our strength:
./xmcamail.2005_08.dir/0037.html:<EM>&gt;  In our morale must lie our strength:
./xmcamail.2005_08.dir/0101.html:sight lie far from classical German philosophy. But “on the second sight”
./xmcamail.2005_08.dir/0104.html:sight lie far from classical German philosophy. But &quot;on the second sight&quot;
./xmcamail.2005_09.dir/0169.html:sight lie far from classical German philosophy. But &quot;on the second sight&quot;
./xmcamail.2005_10.dir/0064.html:Part of the answers may lie in the CH's focus on three interrelated 
./xmcamail.2005_10.dir/0075.html:occasionally lie to their readers in the service of narrative, died 
./xmcamail.2005_10.dir/0075.html:from the beginning that no simple, definitive conclusions lie ahead. I 
./xmcamail.2005_10.dir/0274.html:<P>&quot;It was understood that because high demands are placed on participants in these collective processes, complex mechanisms suited to meet such demands {74} —namely, human subjectivity (in its various aspects)—evolve. Pivotal for Vygotsky's (e.g., 1997) system of ideas was that the social exchanges between people lie at the foundation of all intra-subjective processes, because these processes originate from inter-subjective ones in both history and the individual lives of human beings. &quot;
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0040.html:<EM>&gt; Just lie back on the cushion. The cushion may be suffocating your  
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0040.html:<EM>&gt; limb. You find no shelter, no protection - unless you lie - in  
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0050.html:in Russian often referred to him as inventor of the lie detector.
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0052.html:in Russian often referred to him as inventor of the lie detector.
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0054.html:<EM>&gt; in Russian often referred to him as inventor of the lie detector.
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0056.html:in Russian often referred to him as inventor of the lie detector.
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0057.html:<EM>&gt; in Russian often referred to him as inventor of the lie detector.
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0067.html:<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The Causal Commerce and Risks-as-Gambles metaphors lie behind our
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0098.html:public would time and again lie to cover their 
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0099.html:public would time and again lie to cover their 
./xmcamail.2005_12.dir/0100.html:public would time and again lie to cover their 
./xmcamail.2006_01.dir/0205.html:where racism can lie in wait - but it has something to  say in our 
./xmcamail.2006_01.dir/0210.html:where racism can lie in wait - but it has something to  say in our 
./xmcamail.2006_02.dir/0031.html:<EM>&gt;analysis historically lie with linguistics (from transformational to 
./xmcamail.2006_02.dir/0039.html:that lie behind their practical methods. This book is, however, far  
./xmcamail.2006_02.dir/0045.html:camaraderie. These lie along a continuum and the choice of one of
./xmcamail.2006_03.dir/0143.html:second person might lie down under the tree and say, &quot;I am the grass.&quot;
./xmcamail.2006_03.dir/0145.html:second person might lie down under the tree and say, &quot;I am the grass.&quot;
./xmcamail.2006_03.dir/0146.html:<EM>&gt; second person might lie down under the tree and say, &quot;I am the grass.&quot;
./xmcamail.2006_06.dir/0126.html:will lie along a continuum - hot, cold, lukewarm, &amp; constantly being re-evaluated.
./xmcamail.2006_06.dir/0130.html:will lie along a continuum - hot, cold, lukewarm, &amp; constantly being
./xmcamail.2006_08.dir/0023.html:I also would lie to recommend R. Goldstein's recent book&quot; Betraying  
./xmcamail.2006_10.dir/0013.html:So it's Vygotsky who fully realizes the developmental role of play. It's Vygotsky who points out that all role plays have implicit rules which eventually become explicit. It's Vygotsky who argues that action-centred play gives way to meaning-centred play, and that role-based games cede to abstract rules and eventually to school learning. This is because it's Vygotsky who recognizes that the sources of zone of proximal development lie outside the child in the social environment of learning, whether that social environment is the school or, as it was for most of human history, the playground. .
./xmcamail.2006_10.dir/0058.html:<EM>&gt;Fox news filed a lawsuit claiming the right to lie and distort the truth 
./xmcamail.2006_11.dir/0107.html:Steven Thorne and James Lantolf point out, in their book &quot;Sociocultural Theory and the Genesis of Second Language Development&quot; that mediation really is connected to volition--it's through mediation that human beings exercise volition over their own brains! But there are areas of the language that are not subject to volition, and lie beyond either social or psychological control; they are simply the inputs of phylogenesis.
./xmcamail.2006_12.dir/0046.html:But I'm afraid that the way my mind works one example of dialectics (or perhaps I should say &quot;dialogue&quot;) is better than a thousand formulae about subjects and objects. Although the water example works pretty well for some problems, it's not clear where the subject or object lie and it's very unclear what the &quot;ZPD&quot; that creates H20 might be. (I resisted Mike's application of the ZPD to evolution, so you can imagine how I feel about this!)
./xmcamail.2006_12.dir/0093.html:&quot;trust&quot;, &quot;dignity&quot;.  where are the basis for these unless they lie within
./xmcamail.2006_12.dir/0095.html:&quot;trust&quot;, &quot;dignity&quot;.  where are the basis for these unless they lie within
./xmcamail.2007_03.dir/0029.html:the way up to University classes. My interests lie in tying Vygotsky to 
./xmcamail.2007_03.dir/0038.html:<EM>&gt; lie in tying Vygotsky to methodology in English education.
./xmcamail.2007_03.dir/0043.html:<EM>&gt; &gt; lie in tying Vygotsky to methodology in English education.
./xmcamail.2007_03.dir/0044.html:<EM>&gt; &gt; preschoolers all the way up to University classes. My interests lie 
./xmcamail.2007_04.dir/0064.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;Those familiar with Vygotsky's discussion of Krylov and Aesop will recognize that this corruption is not simply a farfetched metaphor designed to give the lie to Belyayev, it is based on Vygotsky's belief that children tend to bring their own smysl to the znachenie offered in children's literature, and that they tend to lionize the carefree grasshopper and denigrate the dull drudge of an ant (Educational Psychology, p. 243). 
./xmcamail.2007_04.dir/0066.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; to give the lie to Belyayev, it is based on Vygotsky's belief that children
./xmcamail.2007_05.dir/0085.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;¡°Qin jiamu, ni paxia (¡°Won¡¯t you lie down, my in-law dear?¡±)
./xmcamail.2007_05.dir/0085.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;Viewed from an anti-Marxist, liberal, and tendentiously anti-communist standpoint this is not free will; if anything, the children¡¯s playful alterations reinforced the film¡¯s criticisms of the proud mother. (My wife, though a staunch Marxist, has some sympathy for this view; she was the little girl playing with the neighbourhood roughnecks and she often had to play the role of the mother and lie down while the boys would pretend to draw a picture on her buttocks).
./xmcamail.2007_05.dir/0101.html:<p>¡°Qin jiamu, ni paxia (¡°Won¡¯t you lie down, my in-law dear?¡±)
./xmcamail.2007_05.dir/0101.html:<p>Viewed from an anti-Marxist, liberal, and tendentiously anti-communist standpoint this is not free will; if anything, the children¡¯s playful alterations reinforced the film¡¯s criticisms of the proud mother. (My wife, though a staunch Marxist, has some sympathy for this view; she was the little girl playing with the neighbourhood roughnecks and she often had to play the role of the mother and lie down while the boys would pretend to draw a picture on her buttocks).
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0047.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;Suppose LSV's real precedents for his theory of the social mind lie well outside psychology? Suppose they lie in linguistics and literary criticism (which, like psychology and natural philosophy were not really separate fields back then)? 
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0149.html:My own issues lie with assessing children on the latest 'canons' in grade level material and assessment - for students in spec ed there is no understanding of development when it comes to being fair (accommodations and modifications that work for some are pretty darn ridiculous for others... and the whole testing kit and kaboodle is just abusive in some cases). My doc work reveals grade level and above reading for a 3rd grade child with Downes... but only when the passages are shorter or on a topic she enjoys. What and how much does she need to be able to read? Who should decide?
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0200.html:If those answers lie with a friend in your social network or perhaps with
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0222.html:If those answers lie with a friend in your social network or perhaps with
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0315.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; If those answers lie with a friend in your social network or perhaps with
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0318.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; If those answers lie with a friend in your social network or perhaps with
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0325.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt; &gt; If those answers lie with a friend in your social network or perhaps
./xmcamail.2007_06.dir/0326.html:<em class="quotelev3">&gt; &gt; &gt; If those answers lie with a friend in your social network or perhaps
./xmcamail.2007_07.dir/0000.html:<em class="quotelev4">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If those answers lie with a friend in your social network or perhaps
./xmcamail.2007_07.dir/0037.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;There are actually some linguists who believe this, and although I am not one of them I do believe that (Peg Griffin) teaching is cheating, (Mike Cole) etymology is ¡°bonne a penser¡± and (Picasso) art is a lie that helps us get at the truth.
./xmcamail.2007_07.dir/0258.html:from Medieval towns that lie alongside it (e.g., Rothenburg). Anyone  
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0065.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;We can make open-faced sandwiches (like &quot;at&quot; and &quot;al&quot;) and even breadless ones (&quot;I&quot; and &quot;a&quot;) and if you drop your bread and butter it will ALWAYS land butter-side-down (&quot;pie&quot; and &quot;da&quot;). Of course, it's all an heuristic or, as Picasso would put it, &quot;a lie that helps us get at the truth&quot;. But so are phonemes, and so are the rules of phonics, and kids always prefer to make their own sandwiches.
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0065.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm afraid my heuristic for activity, action, and operation is also a lie that helps me get at something, though I'm not really sure it's the truth. I imagine the relationship between activity, action, and operation to be something like the relationship between trunk, branch, and twig. 
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0065.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;So my heuristic is a lie. But it's a lie that helps me get at something...maybe something like the truth. Or maybe it just helps me get another morsel of smoked duck and kimchi.
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0066.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; an heuristic or, as Picasso would put it, &quot;a lie that helps us get at the 
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0066.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; lie that helps me get at something, though I'm not really sure it's the 
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0066.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;   So my heuristic is a lie. But it's a lie that helps me get at 
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0069.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt; &gt; an heuristic or, as Picasso would put it, &quot;a lie that helps us get at
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0069.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt; &gt; lie that helps me get at something, though I'm not really sure it's the
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0069.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt; &gt;   So my heuristic is a lie. But it's a lie that helps me get at
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0070.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;   We can make open-faced sandwiches (like &quot;at&quot; and &quot;al&quot;) and even breadless ones (&quot;I&quot; and &quot;a&quot;) and if you drop your bread and butter it will ALWAYS land butter-side-down (&quot;pie&quot; and &quot;da&quot;). Of course, it's all an heuristic or, as Picasso would put it, &quot;a lie that helps us get at the truth&quot;. But so are phonemes, and so are the rules of phonics, and kids always prefer to make their own sandwiches.
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0070.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;   I'm afraid my heuristic for activity, action, and operation is also a lie that helps me get at something, though I'm not really sure it's the truth. I imagine the relationship between activity, action, and operation to be something like the relationship between trunk, branch, and twig. 
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0070.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;   So my heuristic is a lie. But it's a lie that helps me get at something...maybe something like the truth. Or maybe it just helps me get another morsel of smoked duck and kimchi.
./xmcamail.2007_10.dir/0334.html:development.  My interest certainly does lie in the deviance from the norm
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0074.html:review times lie around 3 week! In MCA, I ATTEMPT to get reviews back  
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0238.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;But first a short note on the means of talking. I like apples too, and I particularly like the Biblical phrase &quot;apple of my eye&quot; because it is a mistranslation of a Hebrew phrase (the original writer, God if you are Jewish, wrote &quot;pupil of my eye&quot;). The general point is that (Mike's fondness for etymology notwithstanding) meaning is not in words, but rather in the process of using words to point to shared understandings (even where these shared understandings still lie in the future). 
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0250.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; shared understandings still lie in the future).
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0251.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; shared understandings still lie in the future).
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0253.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; shared understandings still lie in the future).
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0254.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; shared understandings still lie in the future).
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0255.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;But first a short note on the means of talking. I like apples too, and I particularly like the Biblical phrase &quot;apple of my eye&quot; because it is a mistranslation of a Hebrew phrase (the original writer, God if you are Jewish, wrote &quot;pupil of my eye&quot;). The general point is that (Mike's fondness for etymology notwithstanding) meaning is not in words, but rather in the process of using words to point to shared understandings (even where these shared understandings still lie in the future). 
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0257.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; shared understandings still lie in the future).
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0272.html:these shared understandings still lie in the future).
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0303.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;As I was reading the article I kept wondering whether he would mention what's happening in Venezuela and south america generally which give the lie to everything he is saying and at the end he did but in a completely inadequate and clearly uninformed way. 
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0396.html:It's a promise or a lie I'll repent before I die
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0398.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; It's a promise or a lie I'll repent before I die
./xmcamail.2007_11.dir/0402.html:It's a promise or a lie I'll repent before I die
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0250.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;The problem is that it really does appear that this fiction can bring about facts, that this particular lie is a mover of truths, and that in this instance literature writes history instead of the other way around. This makes some sense to me if I remember that the self is not really a cause of our decisions, but merely a mental tool of tools, a means for their mediation, and ultimate subjecthood always lies with the social situation. But otherwise it makes no sense to me at all.
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0252.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; about facts, that this particular lie is a mover of truths, and that in 
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0280.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;b) The origins of CHAT lie in a concern for the subject because the human psyche is what we theorize. However, we theorize it by relating it to &quot;activity&quot; (I have some problems with this bit, as you've probably noticed), and of course ANL (but not LSV) theorized &quot;activity&quot; as chiefly object-oriented. For this reason, there is an objectivist bent in much early CHAT which leaves us somewhat at a loss to explain how individuals might exercise agency, particularly under capitalist conditions where the market has been cornered by corporatist, statist, or communalist entities.     
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0281.html:<p>b) The origins of CHAT lie in a concern for the subject because the human psyche is what we theorize. However, we theorize it by relating it to &quot;activity&quot; (I have some problems with this bit, as you've probably noticed), and of course ANL (but not LSV) theorized &quot;activity&quot; as chiefly object-oriented. For this reason, there is an objectivist bent in much early CHAT which leaves us somewhat at a loss to explain how individuals might exercise agency, particularly under capitalist conditions where the market has been cornered by corporatist, statist, or communalist entities. 
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0282.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; b) The origins of CHAT lie in a concern for the subject because the human
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0285.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt; &gt; b) The origins of CHAT lie in a concern for the subject because the human
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0286.html:<em class="quotelev3">&gt; &gt; &gt; b) The origins of CHAT lie in a concern for the subject because the
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0287.html:<em class="quotelev4">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; b) The origins of CHAT lie in a concern for the subject because the
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0288.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; b) The origins of CHAT lie in a concern for the subject because
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0303.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;c) &quot;Fossilization&quot; is a REALLY bad metaphor. We don't say that a fluent native speaker of a language is fossilized, although their language system is far more stable than even the more stable interlanguages. It's hard to see how EITHER a &quot;fossilized&quot; system or a dynamic system is consistent with Tarone's &quot;interlanguage continuum&quot;, anyway; it looks very much like the whole thing is under some degree of volitional control, doesn't it? Did the dinosaurs volitionally lie down and choose to become museum pieces?
./xmcamail.2007_12.dir/0305.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; dinosaurs volitionally lie down and choose to become museum pieces?
./xmcamail.2008_01.dir/0267.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;370: ¡°As we have already said, play is characerized by its motive¡¯s lying in the process itself rather than in the result of the action. For a child plaing with wooden bricks, for example, the motive for the play does not lie in building a structure, but in the doing, ie. In the content of the action. That is true not only of the preschool child¡¯s play but also of any real game in general. ¡®Not to win but to play¡¯ is the general formula of the motivation of play. In adutl¡¯s games, therefore in which winning rather than playing becomes the inner motive, the game as such ceased to be play.¡± P. 370
./xmcamail.2008_04.dir/0013.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;On the contrary, the great cognitive benefits of foreign language learning in the child (which LSV saw first and better than anyone, perhaps because he too was a multilingual child) lie precisely in the fact that the foreign language builds on the most developed (for LSV this was synonymous with volitionally accessible, context-free) meanings of the first language. A recapitulationist strategy simply wastes these precious gains, and condemns the non-native learner to ride the wake of the native speaker for eternity.
./xmcamail.2008_04.dir/0021.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;   On the contrary, the great cognitive benefits of foreign language learning in the child (which LSV saw first and better than anyone, perhaps because he too was a multilingual child) lie precisely in the fact that the foreign language builds on the most developed (for LSV this was synonymous with volitionally accessible, context-free) meanings of the first language. A recapitulationist strategy simply wastes these precious gains, and condemns the non-native learner to ride the wake of the native speaker for eternity.
./xmcamail.2008_04.dir/0024.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt; &gt; multilingual child) lie precisely in the fact that the foreign language
./xmcamail.2008_04.dir/0059.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;On the contrary, the great cognitive benefits of foreign language learning in the child (which LSV saw first and better than anyone, perhaps because he too was a multilingual child) lie precisely in the fact that the foreign language builds on the most developed (for LSV this was synonymous with volitionally accessible, context-free) meanings of the first language. A recapitulationist strategy simply wastes these precious gains, and condemns the non-native learner to ride the wake of the native speaker for eternity.
./xmcamail.2008_04.dir/0062.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; too was a multilingual child) lie precisely in the fact that the foreign
./xmcamail.2008_05.dir/0039.html:&nbsp;&nbsp;I think that's Volosinov's point, and it's got nothing to do with &quot;denotation&quot; or &quot;connotation&quot;, contrary to what AAL thought. &quot;Denotation&quot; and &quot;connotation&quot; are both types of meaning which lie firmly within the fundamentally bourgeois notion of sentence meaning. They are BOTH both aliquot and fungible; they are BOTH divisible into parts and BOTH cannabalizeable, being made up, like a Model T, of interchangeable parts.
./xmcamail.2008_05.dir/0040.html:&nbsp;bility of the bourgeois world view, the way in which all values are reducible to interchangeable units of money and all lives reducible to mutually equivalent deaths, preferably (profitably) brought about using one of the products of Undershaft Enterprises. &gt; &gt; Shaw is, of course, affirming the opposite. He's arguing that theatre-goers tend to UNDERestimate the difference between one voice and another, one play and another, one playwright and another. We linguists too, at least in the bourgeois era, have tended to grossly overestimate the SIMILARITY between one voice and another, one text and another, and of course one utterance and another.&gt; &gt; I think that's Volosinov's point, and it's got nothing to do with &quot;denotation&quot; or &quot;connotation&quot;, contrary to what AAL thought. &quot;Denotation&quot; and &quot;connotation&quot; are both types of meaning which lie firmly within the fundamentally bourgeois notion of sentence meaning. They are BOTH both aliquot and fungible; they are BOTH divisible into pa
./xmcamail.2008_06.dir/0006.html:I heard later that the footage was shown again, and this time the voice-over described how the behavior of the tank driver gave the lie to Western reports of civilians being run over by tanks and gunned down in the streets of Beijing. I didn't hear it, though, so I can't say anything about the intonation of the voice-over&amp;nbsp;or what the overall effect was.
./xmcamail.2008_06.dir/0008.html:described how the behavior of the tank driver gave the lie to Western
./xmcamail.2008_06.dir/0009.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; voice-over described how the behavior of the tank driver gave the lie to
./xmcamail.2008_06.dir/0133.html:<p>(Apologies if this note is out of order and the answers lie somewhere in the
./xmcamail.2008_06.dir/0134.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; (Apologies if this note is out of order and the answers lie somewhere in the
./xmcamail.2008_06.dir/0135.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt;&gt; (Apologies if this note is out of order and the answers lie somewhere in
./xmcamail.2008_06.dir/0137.html:<em class="quotelev3">&gt; &gt;&gt; (Apologies if this note is out of order and the answers lie somewhere in
./xmcamail.2008_07.dir/0009.html:philosophical underpinnings of these approaches lie in an ontology of 
./xmcamail.2008_07.dir/0249.html:in the tough struggles that lie ahead. I shall fight the government  
./xmcamail.2008_07.dir/0253.html:in the tough struggles that lie ahead. I shall fight the government  
./xmcamail.2008_11.dir/0012.html:now that the problem does not lie with the level of agreement between school
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0134.html:On p. 370, he's got this: “As we have already said, play is characerized by its motive's lying in the process itself rather than in the result of the action. For a child playing with wooden bricks, for example, the motive for the play does not lie in building a structure, but in the doing, i.e. in the content of the action. That is true not only of the preschool child’s play but also of any real game in general. 'Not to win but to play' is the general formula of the motivation of play. In adult's games, therefore in which winning rather than playing becomes the inner motive, the game as such ceased to be play.&quot;
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0135.html:for example, the motive for the play does not lie in building a  
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0138.html:for example, the motive for the play does not lie in building a  
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0139.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; the play does not lie in building a structure, but in the doing, i.e. in the
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0142.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; the play does not lie in building a structure, but in the doing, i.e. in
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0143.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; for example, the motive for the play does not lie in building a  
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0147.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; On p. 370, he's got this: “As we have already said, play is  characerized by its motive's lying in the process itself rather than  in the result of the action. For a child playing with wooden bricks,  for example, the motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the doing, i.e. in the content of the action. That  is true not only of the preschool child’s play but also of any real  game in general. 'Not to win but to play' is the general formula of  the motivation of play. In adult's games, therefore in which winning  rather than playing becomes the inner motive, the game as such ceased  to be play.&quot;
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0169.html:motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the doing,
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0171.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the doing,
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0173.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in  
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0174.html:<em class="quotelev3">&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the 
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0175.html:<em class="quotelev4">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in  
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0176.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in 
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0183.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0184.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0185.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0187.html:<em class="quotelev3">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0188.html:<em class="quotelev4">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in the
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0189.html:<em class="quotelev4">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0190.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a 
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0191.html:<em class="quotelev4">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0192.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0195.html:<em class="quotelev1">&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in
./xmcamail.2008_12.dir/0196.html:<em class="quotelev2">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; motive for the play does not lie in building a  structure, but in
./xmcamail.2009_01.dir/msg00192.html:were the basis for lie detector tests. But the book also contains a variety
./xmcamail.2009_01.dir/msg00193.html:&gt; were the basis for lie detector tests. But the book also contains a variety
./xmcamail.2009_01.dir/msg00194.html:&gt; were the basis for lie detector tests. But the book also contains a
./xmcamail.2009_01.dir/msg00196.html:&gt; were the basis for lie detector tests. But the book also contains a variety
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00003.html:</pre><tt>In other words, its significance today may lie in its ability to  
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00240.html:</tt><tt>analysis, microcosms, and germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie  
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00244.html:&gt; germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie more in figuring out how to
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00246.html:&gt;&gt; germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie more in figuring out how to
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00252.html:</tt><tt>germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie more in figuring out  
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00253.html:&gt;&gt;&gt; germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie more in figuring out how to
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00254.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie more in figuring out how to
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00256.html:&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie more in figuring out how
./xmcamail.2009_02.dir/msg00257.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; germ cells.  The scientific problem may lie more in figuring out how
./xmcamail.2009_07.dir/msg00041.html:upon childhood disorders lie not so much in elucidating grand philosophical
./xmcamail.2009_07.dir/msg00048.html:&gt; upon childhood disorders lie not so much in elucidating grand philosophical
./xmcamail.2009_07.dir/msg00115.html:&gt; lie before him and he discovers the required functional meaning of these
./xmcamail.2009_08.dir/msg00082.html:&gt; lie with the poor themselves and that cultural differences are responsible
./xmcamail.2009_08.dir/msg00083.html:&gt; lie with the poor themselves and that cultural differences are responsible
./xmcamail.2009_08.dir/msg00084.html:&gt; &gt; lie with the poor themselves and that cultural differences are
./xmcamail.2009_08.dir/msg00090.html:&gt; lie with the poor themselves and that cultural differences are responsible
./xmcamail.2009_08.dir/msg00147.html:So here I find myself in complete agreement with Carol, and with David Bakhurst (in his article on &quot;Vygotsky's Demons&quot; in the Cambridge Companion). The ethnocentrism does not lie in rationalism and in concept formation and in the idea of development, but only in the assumption that these things are in anything but a trivially historical sense Western. To say that the West discovered the concept is a little like saying Columbus discovered America.
./xmcamail.2009_08.dir/msg00159.html:the &#x201C;concepts&#x201D; that lie beneath the words (to put this in 
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00079.html:</pre><tt>Let's compare takes.  The problem seems to lie in determining **what**  
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00081.html:</pre><tt>Let's compare takes.  The problem seems to lie in determining  
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00082.html:</pre><tt>Let's compare takes.  The problem seems to lie in determining **what** 
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00083.html:</pre><tt>Let's compare takes.  The problem seems to lie in determining  
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00119.html:</pre><tt>The problem may lie in whether we are using the term &quot;concept&quot; in the  
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00120.html:</pre><tt>The problem may lie in whether we are using the term &quot;concept&quot; in the 
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00121.html:&gt;&gt; The problem may lie in whether we are using the term &quot;concept&quot; in the
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00122.html:&gt;&gt;&gt; The problem may lie in whether we are using the term &quot;concept&quot; in the
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00133.html:</pre><tt>The problem may lie in whether we are using the term &quot;concept&quot; in  
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00134.html:</pre><tt>The problem may lie in whether we are using the term &quot;concept&quot; in the 
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00235.html:</tt><tt>must always lie outside Cs. As you well know, Hegel rejected this as  
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00246.html:</tt><tt>themselves must always lie outside Cs. As you well know, Hegel  
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00270.html:&gt; lie out there behind them and then maybe if we want to make
./xmcamail.2009_09.dir/msg00271.html: &gt; lie out there behind them and then maybe if we want to make
./xmcamail.2009_10.dir/msg00243.html:</tt><tt>achievements and consider the challenges that still lie ahead, and  
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00037.html:the prototype of the modern lie detector. The very popularity of the
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00055.html:the prototype of the modern lie detector. The very popularity of the
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00057.html:the prototype of the modern lie detector. The very popularity of the
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00069.html:which gave ARL a rep as an inventor of the lie detector,
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00072.html:which gave ARL a rep as an inventor of the lie detector,
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00075.html:&gt; which gave ARL a rep as an inventor of the lie detector,
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00202.html:The nature and method of the treatment of these problems will vary with the instruments of knowledge and the historical conditions of the different periods. And in those problems which lie on the borderland of thought even the personality of the thinker will likewise have its effect. It is for this reason that a comparative treatment of the problems as history presents them is of such great importance. The various statements and solutions of the problem possess more than a purely philosophic interest. They have likewise an important bearing on the history of civilization and on psychology. They are responses in a great discussion which is proceeding through ages. Each response is something more than a mere intellectual structure, it is likewise the sign of a spiritual current. The history of philosophy therefore bears a direct relation to the general history of culture and of mind
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00204.html:&gt; The nature and method of the treatment of these problems will vary with the instruments of knowledge and the historical conditions of the different periods. And in those problems which lie on the borderland of thought even the personality of the thinker will likewise have its effect. It is for this reason that a comparative treatment of the problems as history presents them is of such great importance. The various statements and solutions of the problem possess more than a purely philosophic interest. They have likewise an important bearing on the history of civilization and on psychology. They are responses in a great discussion which is proceeding through ages. Each response is something more than a mere intellectual structure, it is likewise the sign of a spiritual current. The history of philosophy therefore bears a direct relation to the general history of culture and of mind
./xmcamail.2009_11.dir/msg00376.html:</tt><tt>contextual pointers and information lie (in the text, in its  
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00003.html:and information lie (in the text, in its intertexts, in presuppositions, in
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00075.html:The Educational Testing Service (ETS) recently announced &#x201C;the first large-scale evaluation of personal attributes for use in graduate admissions.&#x201D; This new test, the Personal Potential Index (PPI), will provide graduate programs with &#x201C;reliable information about six key personal attributes critical for success in graduate school.&#x201D; Some attributes are hard to dispute (&#x201C;Knowledge and Creativity,&#x201D; &#x201C;Communication Skills&#x201D;), although most applicants would lie through their teeth about &#x201C;Ethics and Integrity.&#x201D; Two others are questionable. &#x201C;Teamwork?&#x201D; For some disciplines &#x201C;Misanthropy&#x201D; would be more appropriate. &#x201C;Planning and Organization?&#x201D; You want to make the faculty look bad?
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00076.html:&gt; although most applicants would lie through their teeth about &#x201C;Ethics and
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00095.html:</tt><tt>of human activity, I think they lie in ways of dealing with the  
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00099.html:&gt; think they lie in ways of dealing with the complexity of things.
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00132.html:</tt><tt>meaning that lie over and color the meanings and responses to all the  
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00152.html:&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the meanings and
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00155.html:&gt; &gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00156.html:</pre><blockquote style="border-left: #5555EE solid 0.2em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 0.85em"><tt>the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00158.html:&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00159.html:&gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00161.html:&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00162.html:&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00163.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00165.html:&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00168.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00169.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00173.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00194.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00197.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00218.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00234.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00251.html:&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00253.html:the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00277.html:</tt><tt>access to the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00278.html:</tt><tt>the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying one at that, but still a 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00281.html:&gt;&gt; access to the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying one at that, but
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00284.html:&gt;&gt; access to the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying one at
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00285.html:&gt; &gt;&gt; access to the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying one at
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00289.html:&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00291.html:&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00301.html:&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00302.html:the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00303.html:the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00314.html:the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00334.html:&gt;access to the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying 
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00334.html:&gt;&gt; the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying one at
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00334.html:&gt;&gt;&gt; access to the truth. A lie of course, and a damn annoying
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00335.html:&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00336.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00337.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2009_12.dir/msg00380.html:&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the cultural overlays of meaning that lie over and color the
./xmcamail.2010_01.dir/msg00079.html:Behind the promotion of Western ideas of mental health and healing lie a
./xmcamail.2010_01.dir/msg00081.html:&gt; healing lie a
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00037.html:&#x201C;As we have already said, play is characterized by its motive&#x2019;s lying in the process itself rather than in the result of the action. For a child plaing with wooden bricks, for example, the motive for the play does not lie in building a structure, but in the doing, ie. In the content of the action. That is true not only of the preschool child&#x2019;s play but also of any real game in general. &#x2018;Not to win but to play&#x2019; is the general formula of the motivation of play. In adult&#x2019;s games, therefore in which winning rather than playing becomes the inner motive, the game as such ceased to be play.&#x201D; (PDM p. 370, MIA edition p. 335)
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00122.html:I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of schooling or workplacerelations, but rather in &#x2018;social movements&#x2019;.
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00123.html:I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of schooling or workplacerelations, but rather in &#x2018;social movements&#x2019;.
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00125.html:&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of schooling
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00126.html:&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of 
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00127.html:&gt; &gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00128.html:&gt;&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of schooling
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00129.html:&gt; &gt;&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study 
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00130.html:&gt;&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of 
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00131.html:&gt;&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study of 
./xmcamail.2010_02.dir/msg00132.html:&gt; &gt;&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study 
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00048.html:</pre><tt>On 6, are you saying that I and all other people lie outside your  
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00049.html:On 6, are you saying that I and all other people lie outside your consciousness?
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00051.html:</tt><tt>does not lie outside my consciousness, &quot;reflected&quot; in my 
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00051.html:</pre><blockquote style="border-left: #5555EE solid 0.2em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 0.85em"><tt>On 6, are you saying that I and all other people lie outside your 
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00052.html:On 6, are you saying that I and all other people lie outside your consciousness?
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00054.html:&gt; On 6, are you saying that I and all other people lie outside your
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00055.html:&gt; On 6, are you saying that I and all other people lie outside your
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00058.html:</pre><tt>On 6, are you saying that I and all other people lie outside your 
./xmcamail.2010_03.dir/msg00064.html:&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I write this asone whose main interests lie not in the study
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00024.html:To call the two things by the same word, &quot;fear&quot; (much less emotion) is a linguistic amalgam, like saying that running a business and running a quarter mile and having a runny nose are all the same concept. When I am afraid of North Korea setting off a plutonium bomb near Seoul I can still sleep at night, but when I am attacked by a large labrador retriever while I am running in the park I do not lie down on the pavement and go to sleep. The SEMANTIC relation of these two things is a problem of the etymology of language; it's a causal genetic problem for semantics, and that is all. 
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00025.html:&gt; To call the two things by the same word, &quot;fear&quot; (much less emotion) is a linguistic amalgam, like saying that running a business and running a quarter mile and having a runny nose are all the same concept. When I am afraid of North Korea setting off a plutonium bomb near Seoul I can still sleep at night, but when I am attacked by a large labrador retriever while I am running in the park I do not lie down on the pavement and go to sleep. The SEMANTIC relation of these two things is a problem of the etymology of language; it's a causal genetic problem for semantics, and that is all. 
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00034.html:&gt; running in the park I do not lie down on the pavement and go to 
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00035.html:&gt;&gt; running in the park I do not lie down on the pavement and go to 
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00036.html:&gt;&gt; running in the park I do not lie down on the pavement and go to 
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00039.html:&gt; &gt;&gt; running in the park I do not lie down on the pavement and go 
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00040.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; running in the park I do not lie down on the pavement and go 
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00270.html:In comparison, the human baby seems to just lie around doing nothing. A very limited bunch of reflexes, as you say, Andy, and most of them disappear pretty soon (the Moro, for instance, and I think the Babinski too). The newborn human is completely dependent on others for food and shelter. Why on earth would this be? Why would homo sapiens, with the devious smarts to outhunt and outmaneuver every other species, including other homos, have such dumb and useless babies?
./xmcamail.2010_04.dir/msg00271.html:In comparison, the human baby seems to just lie around doing nothing. A very limited bunch of reflexes, as you say, Andy, and most of them disappear pretty soon (the Moro, for instance, and I think the Babinski too). The newborn human is completely dependent on others for food and shelter. Why on earth would this be? Why would homo sapiens, with the devious smarts to outhunt and outmaneuver every other species, including other homos, have such dumb and useless babies?
./xmcamail.2010_07.dir/msg00075.html:</pre><tt>Perhaps we could ask Dr. Lightman on the show Lie To Me.  He might  
./xmcamail.2010_07.dir/msg00086.html:&gt; Perhaps we could ask Dr. Lightman on the show Lie To Me.  He might know!   LOL
./xmcamail.2010_07.dir/msg00091.html:</pre><tt>Perhaps we could ask Dr. Lightman on the show Lie To Me.  He might  
./xmcamail.2010_07.dir/msg00104.html:&gt;&gt;&gt; Perhaps we could ask Dr. Lightman on the show Lie To Me.  He might know!   LOL
./xmcamail.2010_07.dir/msg00107.html:But that does not really explain why this ambiguity was so ruthlessly exploited by Vygotsky's enemies to suppress his work. I think here the answer might lie in the circumstance that I pointed to before; the pressure on Vygotsky to abjure his former work on complexes and to introduce the scientific concept earlier and earlier in education. It is, I believe, this untimely pressure that ultimately led him to formulate the zone of proximal development. 
./xmcamail.2010_07.dir/msg00108.html:&gt; answer might lie in the circumstance that I pointed to before; the pressure
./xmcamail.2010_07.dir/msg00109.html:&gt;&gt; answer might lie in the circumstance that I pointed to before; the pressure
./xmcamail.2010_08.dir/msg00144.html:But Valsiner's exposition seems to miss the obvious alternative for what he calls level 4 that these are feelings that are MORE highly differentiated, but lie outside the system of semantics for affect. They are &quot;too specific for words&quot;, not too vague. Vaguer versions or precursors are probably there at some early stage (closer to level 1), but not later, or maybe they persist and are simply paralleled and overlaid by the later semantically differentiable level 2's, the abstract generalizing level-3's (but how is that &quot;higher&quot;? it just seems like a specialized option building on level-2 for situations where greater differentiation does not matter). In his examples, it seems that we are dealing with very subtle and case-specific feelings, which are phenomenologically highly specified and differentiated, but no longer so relative to language. That does not mean that they are not still semiotically mediated, but there are other modes of semiotic mediation, such as body-states, actions/activitiies, scenes/situations, and even the poems or artworks AS SIGNS and as mediators.
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00144.html:But Valsiner's exposition seems to miss the obvious alternative for what he calls level 4 that these are feelings that are MORE highly differentiated, but lie outside the system of semantics for affect. They are &quot;too specific for words&quot;, not too vague. Vaguer versions or precursors are probably there at some early stage (closer to level 1), but not later, or maybe they persist and are simply paralleled and overlaid by the later semantically differentiable level 2's, the abstract generalizing level-3's (but how is that &quot;higher&quot;? it just seems like a specialized option building on level-2 for situations where greater differentiation does not matter). In his examples, it seems that we are dealing with very subtle and case-specific feelings, which are phenomenologically highly specified and differentiated, but no longer so relative to language. That does not mean that they are not still semiotically mediated, but there are other modes of semiotic mediation, such as body-states, actions/activitiies, scenes/situations, and even the poems or artworks AS SIGNS and as mediators.
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00440.html:Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in &quot;changing the consciousness of the oppressed, not the situation which oppresses them,&quot; (1) for the more the oppressed can be led to adapt to that situation, the more easily they can be dominated. To achieve this the oppressors use the banking concept of education in conjunction with a paternalistic social action apparatus, within which the oppressed receive the euphemistic title of &quot;welfare recipients.&quot; They are treated as individual cases, as marginal persons who deviate from the general configuration of a &quot;good, organized and just&quot; society. The oppressed are regarded as the pathology of the healthy society which must therefore adjust these &quot;incompetent and lazy&quot; folk to its own patterns by changing their mentality. These marginals need to be &quot;integrated,&quot; &quot;incorporated&quot; into the healthy society that they have &quot;forsaken.&quot;
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00440.html:In perception properly so-called, as an explicit awareness [Gewahren], I am turned towards the object, to the paper, for instance. I apprehend it as being this here and now. The apprehension is a singling out, every object having a background in experience. Around and about the paper lie books, pencils, inkwell and so forth, and these in a certain sense are also &quot;perceived,&quot; perceptually there, in the &quot;field of intuition&quot;; but whilst I was turned towards the paper there was no turning in their direction, nor any apprehending of them, not even in a secondary sense. They appeared and yet were not singled out, were posited on their own account. Every perception of a thing has such a zone of background intuitions or background awareness, if &quot;intuiting&quot; already includes the state of being turned towards, and this also is a &quot;conscious experience&quot;, or more briefly a &quot;consciousness of&quot; all indeed that in point of fact lies in the co-perceived objective background. (10)
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00440.html:Problem-posing education affirms men and women as beings the process of becoming -- as unfinished, uncompleted beings in and with a likewise unfinished reality. Indeed, in contrast to other animals who are unfinished, but not historical, people know themselves to be unfinished; they are aware of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the very roots of education as an human manifestation. The unfinished character of human beings and the transformational character of reality necessitate that education be an ongoing activity.
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00444.html:&gt; Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in &quot;changing the consciousness
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00444.html:&gt; having a background in experience. Around and about the paper lie books,
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00444.html:&gt; of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the very
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00446.html:&gt; Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in &quot;changing the consciousness
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00446.html:&gt; having a background in experience. Around and about the paper lie books,
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00446.html:&gt; of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the very
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00448.html:&gt; &gt; Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in &quot;changing the
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00448.html:&gt; &gt; having a background in experience. Around and about the paper lie books,
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00448.html:&gt; &gt; of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00449.html:Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in &quot;changing the
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00449.html:having a background in experience. Around and about the paper lie books,
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00449.html:of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00450.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in &quot;changing the
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00450.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; having a background in experience. Around and about the paper lie books,
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00450.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00452.html:&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in &quot;changing the
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00452.html:&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; having a background in experience. Around and about the paper lie books,
./xmcamail.2010_09.dir/msg00452.html:&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the
./xmcamail.2010_11.dir/msg00114.html:</tt><tt>individualism lie in bourgeois society (i.e., the economic activity of 
./xmcamail.2010_11.dir/msg00116.html:individualism lie in bourgeois society (i.e., the economic activity of
./xmcamail.2010_11.dir/msg00118.html:&gt; lie in bourgeois society (i.e., the economic activity of capitalist society
./xmcamail.2010_11.dir/msg00119.html:&gt; &gt; lie in bourgeois society (i.e., the economic activity of capitalist
./xmcamail.2010_11.dir/msg00125.html:&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; lie in bourgeois society (i.e., the economic activity of capitalist
./xmcamail.2010_11.dir/msg00126.html:&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; lie in bourgeois society (i.e., the economic activity of capitalist
./xmcamail.2010_12.dir/msg00018.html:more general kind lie behind the play. Play is the resource of development
./xmcamail.2010_12.dir/msg00118.html:policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2010_12.dir/msg00119.html:over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2010_12.dir/msg00120.html:&gt; over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2010_12.dir/msg00122.html:over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2010_12.dir/msg00123.html:&gt; over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2010_12.dir/msg00132.html:Rejecting reductionist interpretations of the concept of mediation in the ZPD, Moll and Whitmore (1993) underscore that the ZPD involves &quot;the child engaged in collaborative activity within a specific social (discourse) environment&quot; (p. 20). The ZPD is thus not what Wilhelm, Baker, and Dube (2001) describe as a &quot;cognitive region, which lies just beyond what the child can do alone. Anything that the child can learn with the assistance and support of a teacher, peers, and the instructional environment is said to lie within the ZPD&quot; (p. 16). It is, rather, an interrelated set of social contexts that are deeply rooted in cultural and historical traditions, practices, and artifacts (Moll, 1990). ZPDs thus lack the sort of containment asserted by Wilhelm et al. and involve more of the &quot;weaving&quot; implied by the etymology of the term &quot;context&quot; (Cole, 1996) and recognized by Dyson (1990). Moll and Whitmore (1993) propose that the key to understanding learning in classroom contexts is to attend to the social transactions that make up classroom life: &quot;Within this analysis the focus of study is on the sociocultural system within which children learn, with the understanding that this system is mutually and actively created by teachers and students. What we propose is a 'collective' zone of proximal development&quot; (p. 20).
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00022.html:</tt><tt>a whole range of tasks which lie within their development stage of 
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00022.html:</tt><tt>situation. Other psychological functions on the other hand may lie on 
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00025.html:&gt; whole range of tasks which lie within their development stage of
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00025.html:&gt; situation. Other psychological functions on the other hand may lie on the
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00027.html:&gt; whole range of tasks which lie within their development stage of
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00027.html:&gt; situation. Other psychological functions on the other hand may lie on
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00030.html:over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00038.html:&gt; over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00096.html:&gt; &gt; over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00097.html:over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2011_01.dir/msg00099.html:&gt; &gt; over science, federal policy and money could lie ahead.
./xmcamail.2011_02.dir/msg00004.html:Ivan's question about the 'double bind' of trying to maintain smooth fluent speech while grappling with tensions between 'how we see it' and 'how we want someone else to think we see it' may relate to the use of voice analysis in lie detection (I remember reading somewhere that the Dutch police at one time were recruiting blind people to listen to witness statements to pick out people who were likely to be lying).
./xmcamail.2011_02.dir/msg00005.html:Ivan's question about the 'double bind' of trying to maintain smooth fluent speech while grappling with tensions between 'how we see it' and 'how we want someone else to think we see it' may relate to the use of voice analysis in lie detection (I remember reading somewhere that the Dutch police at one time were recruiting blind people to listen to witness statements to pick out people who were likely to be lying).
./xmcamail.2011_02.dir/msg00009.html:&gt; analysis in lie detection (I remember reading somewhere that the Dutch
./xmcamail.2011_02.dir/msg00009.html:&gt; analysis in lie detection (I remember reading somewhere that the Dutch
./xmcamail.2011_04.dir/msg00253.html:Reason does not lie behind us, nor is that where the meeting of minds takes
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00253.html:Reason does not lie behind us, nor is that where the meeting of minds takes
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00549.html:not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside knowledge
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00550.html:not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside knowledge
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00551.html:</tt><tt>not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside  
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00552.html:&gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside 
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00553.html:&gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00554.html:&gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00555.html:&gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00556.html:&gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00557.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
./xmcamail.2011_05.dir/msg00558.html:&gt; &gt; &gt; not with applying some abstract, fixed principles that lie outside
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