Re: [xmca] "The Teaching About Emotions" in Russian?

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

DAvid. "edva li" means scarcely or hardly I believe.
mike

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:51 PM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Just after Natalja posted her link, I read this in Volume Six of the
> English Collected Works (p 130)
>
> "Thus, Dumas is scarcely the first to reduce the problem of the connection
> between the James-Lange theory and Cartesian teaching on the
> passions..." not to surface resemblances but to a profound inner link.
>
> That "scarcely the first" is a little flat, I thought. This whole section
> is about how psychology has recognized surface resemblances, but has not yet
> really taken the profound link far enough. It's not like Vygotsky to play
> out of tune like this.
>
> So then Natalja puts up the link and I can check. Here's what Vygotsky
> REALLY wrote (I think): "Таким образом, Дюма едва ли не впервые сводит
> вопрос о связи между теорией Джемса  - Ланге и картезианским учением о
> страстях..."
>
> So it's really something like: "In this way, Vygotsky is almost the first
> to reduce the the problem of the connection...." etc.
>
> It's an easy mistake to make, and a tough mistake to catch--but if you
> don't catch it, you alter the whole meaning of the paragraph and turns a
> beautiful argument into something ugly and out of key (and spread it from
> English to unsuspecting languages like Korean).
>
> It's hard to describe the SYMPHONIC effect of Vygotsky's writing when you
> really have it right--he comes to the end of an argument (e.g. the
> James-Lange theory fits the then new facts on adrenalin and its effects
> on vasomotor control, the Cannon-Bard theory fits the newly discovered facts
> on sensory traffic in the thalamus...), builds to what looks like an
> inevitable climax (e.g. this allows us to show how emotion is embodied in
> real time, it helps us to build a theory which has both higher cortical and
> lower thalamic emotion)...and then......Well, and then Vygotsky tells you
> that it's all wrong again, and he'll explain why in the next section.
>
> You see, if Vygotsky just ended each section with a crash, like a rock
> star, a sour note here or there wouldn't matter. But he is far too subtle
> for that...after the crash, he will have a single slender oboe come out and
> play on. So every note counts, and the way the whole thing is orchestrated
> for English really does matter.
>
> Copious gratitude to Natalja, and to all the xmca Russophones who share
> their invaluable expertise with tin-eared rookies like me. (Maybe a little
> envy too....)
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education
>
>
> --- On Sun, 2/20/11, Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
>
> From: Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] "The Teaching About Emotions" in Russian?
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 8:42 PM
>
>
> Hi David,
> Take a look here, for example:
>
> http://www.caute.net.ru/spinoza/rus/vygotsky.html
>
> Cheers,
> Natalia.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Kellogg" <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>
> To: "xmca" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:37:21 PM
> Subject: [xmca] "The Teaching About Emotions" in Russian?
>
> Does anyone know where I can get an e-text or a pdf of Vygotsky's "The
> Teaching about the emotions: Historical and psychological studies" in the
> original Russian?
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education
>
>
>
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