Re: [xmca] FW: ScienceDaily: Parts Of Brain Involved In SocialCognition May Be In Place By Age Six

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Crocodile Dundee?
:-)
(The Ratner thing was no joke)

The Review of Karpov was gentler than I would have been but just fine with
good critical comments to leaven polite praise)
m
(on the move today)

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Ha, ha! Thank you Carol for your too-kind words. Emily and I talk often
> enough for me to take the "Blunden guy" thing with the good humour in which
> I know it was intended! I actually read Emily's apology this morning before
> I read the dozen or so xmca messages and figured out what on earth Emily was
> apologising for. You are all on this list very dear friends and can call me
> by any name you like.
>
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
>> Never mind, Em. I would be surprised if Andy misinterpreted your remark,
>> but
>> he can speak for himself when he wakes up!
>>
>> Re the article summary you posted: " Parts Of Brain Involved In Social
>> Cognition May Be In Place By Age Six." Having read it I can see how you
>> related to Carl's statement but i do not think claims about the "parts of
>> the brain being in place" and "There is no
>> longer an interaction of biological and social determinants of behavior
>> (at
>> age 6) are anything like saying the same thing.
>> l
>> The developmental social cognition piece itself would be well worth
>> discussing if people wanted to, along with other research in what people
>> call "social neuroscience" which has some very interesting implications
>> for
>> thinking about human development. That line of work could use some serious
>> critical examination from a Vygotsky-Luria perspective.
>> With respect to the article you pointed us at we might ask  what is meant
>> by
>> "parts of the brain," what is meant by "in place" and what the relations
>> between them might be.
>>
>> mike
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm sorry Carol (and Andy), I know Andy, and certainly agree with you.
>>> I was simply joking as he provides so much for us all. I did not mean
>>> any disrespect what so ever!
>>> ~em
>>>
>>>
>>> Emily Duvall, PhD
>>> Assistant Professor of Curriculum & Instruction
>>> Assistant Professor of Neuroscience
>>> University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
>>> 1031 North Academic Way, Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814
>>> T 208 292 2512 | F 208 667 5275 emily@uidaho.edu | www.cda.uidaho.edu
>>>
>>> He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by
>>> storm.
>>> -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
>>> On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald
>>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:16 PM
>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; Andy Blunden
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] FW: ScienceDaily: Parts Of Brain Involved In
>>> SocialCognition May Be In Place By Age Six
>>>
>>> Emily
>>> Please do not refer to "that Andy Blunden guy" -- he is building some of
>>> the
>>> best theory of Activity, and understands the origins of LSV thinking
>>> better
>>> than most of us.
>>>
>>> Write to him--he is always at his computer and he answers courteously
>>> even
>>> to my dim questions.
>>>
>>> *ablunden@mira.net>*
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 September 2010 19:23, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I'm forwarding this piece as I think it is pretty interesting not so
>>>> much with regard to autism (although that is definitely interesting),
>>>> but with regard to understanding the development of higher mental
>>>> functions, specifically in terms of the age range being discussed
>>>>
>>>>
>>> below.
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is also the crucial age for Vygotsky with the social, thinking
>>>> about Thought and Language specifically.
>>>> As Ratner states, in this regard,
>>>> " By seven years of age, most natural determinants of behavior have
>>>>
>>>>
>>> died
>>>
>>>
>>>> out and the basis of behavior is overwhelmingly cultural, and Vygotsky
>>>> repeatedly stresses this qualitative transformation. There is no
>>>>
>>>>
>>> longer
>>>
>>>
>>>> an interaction of biological and social determinants of behavior. At
>>>> this point, the child's individuality is a function of her particular
>>>> social experience, which has increased exponentially over the years
>>>> (i.e., more in the later years, less in the early years). The manner
>>>>
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>
>>>> which others have reacted to her behavior and physical traits (such as
>>>> beauty, gender, and skin color) replaces biological determinants of
>>>> behavior." (Ratner,  Child Psychology: Vygotsky's Conception of
>>>> Psychological Development,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.sonic.net/~cr2/vygdev.htm<http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev.htm>
>>> <http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev.htm>
>>> <http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev.
>>> htm <http://www.sonic.net/%7Ecr2/vygdev.%0Ahtm>>)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I see a link here, too, with the work by that Andy Blunden guy
>>>> (supported by discussions with Cole and Kellogg)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> (http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/comment/vygotsky-on-deve
>>>    lopment.pdf<
>>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/comment/vygot
>>> sky-on-deve%0Alopment.pdf<
>>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/comment/vygot%0Asky-on-deve%0Alopment.pdf
>>> >>)
>>>
>>> who discuss development and the "Crisis at
>>> age 7" - this
>>>
>>>
>>>> very nice discussion, I think, and really illuminates the research
>>>> below. I highly recommend it to those interested metacognition.
>>>>
>>>> Parts Of Brain Involved In Social Cognition May Be In Place By Age Six
>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090715074930.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By scanning the brains of children ages 6 to 11 as they listened to
>>>> children's stories, researchers have for the first time investigated
>>>> brain regions associated with social cognition in human children.
>>>> Researchers found that one of the brain regions, the right
>>>> tempero-parietal junction, appeared to change its function between the
>>>> ages of 6 and 11. This research has implications for the study of
>>>> atypical social development, as happens in autism.
>>>>
>>>> ~em
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Emily Duvall, PhD
>>>> Assistant Professor of Curriculum & Instruction
>>>> Assistant Professor of Neuroscience
>>>> University of Idaho, Coeur d'Alene
>>>> 1031 North Academic Way, Suite 242 | Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814
>>>> T 208 292 2512 | F 208 667 5275 emily@uidaho.edu | www.cda.uidaho.edu
>>>>
>>>> He only earns his freedom and his life, who takes them every day by
>>>> storm.
>>>> -- Johann Wolfgang Goethe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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