[xmca] "Uncovering Vygotsky's Archives" - Congratulations Anton and Ekaterina.

[Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>]

I will read the messages, Mike, thank you.

I only would want to say you that when I congratulate our colleagues was not because I do not give importance for all the important discussions for all the other researchers here and not here. I was only happy because now there is a more democratic edition of these documents. Some of them are already available in Russian, for free, in some academic web sites - for instance "The way to freedom" (Put k svobode). However this not means that this enthusiastic aptitude of mine is against a critical reading and historical comprehension of the same documents, and the own authors I believe think the same... When you talk about most informative extensive materials about "Vygotsky's focus on the nature of  consciousness" - I understood you was referring to an anterior number of JREEP, in which this theme was approached, I get all that articles too - but there are many things to read and listen, and am not much fast, and have some problems with my attentional an mnemonic process. I did not read. I can suppose that was very important, but can not read yet... But I am not certainly if this exactly what you telling to us, or if I could not understand all the picture yet. About consciousness as "THE" object... Whit an even more complex question we are faced in this case... In my point of view, for my personal work and social purposes, consciousness will remain at the core of all theoretical discussion (consciousness is a unity in Vygotsky much broader than "conscious" as the tip of iceberg in first freudian topic, of course)... Let me say what I think: If meaningful word can be a microcosm of consciousness - consciousness in the same formulation must be viewed as the macrocosm of meaningful word, and don't believe that a single unit could be more important than the broader unity... A cell can not be more important than the entire living being, and an atom can not be more important than the entire universe... But, of course, there is no universe without its units, nor living being without its units... However there is not only this question about possible relationships between object of analysis and unit of analysis, but even all the others concerning to this "object" is not a thing but a process... A process that is not given as an aprioristic category, but an emergent aspect of social life... then when somebody uses "the" object, if this "object" (or maybe better, this "subject  matter") as a process, is the same and not the same, at different historical movements of his genesis, the term "THE" could be not so exclusive than can appears in a more formal, Cartesian, classical rationalistic definition... Therefore, you can see that I have much things to understand much better about the possible deep disagreement, and I will try to understand better... This is my main mission at the end, maybe not finally "understand better" and "rest in peace", I guess, but at least, "to try" without any rest... And, returning to initial point: my note, at the beginning was only about an interesting editorial enterprise - I must to maintain my congratulations forever, perhaps it was not adequate as public manifestation, I apologize, I'm not personally close to the authors as well, it was only a simple information. It was only this... I guess some people at the list could not stay frequently consulting JREEP basis, and maybe somebody could be interested in the existence now of this material... But you are much faster then I, and already knows many more background and foreground things than I will can understand even through some 10 or 20 more years that perhaps I will have to live, if nothing much wrong occurs... :-) My note was only as information. And solidarity to that work... I can extend my congratulations to all other many great people here... of course this will be nothing so meaningful if it is only me talking this. But, of course, I know recognize all contributions spite I can not contribute too. And, I repeat, I am very slow... but I desire someday not only recognize people's contributions but understand too. You must remember the story about Achilles and the Turtle, don't you? Well, I don't know if I am Achilles or the Turtle... in fact I always will be the slowest and always be the last one... :-)

Thank you Mike. Even few words from your, are ever much instructive and challenging... I like very much your way to create zones of possibility to critical thinking, never leaving the learner alone in the dangerous way to consciousness and freedom.

Best... I will read more...

Achilles (the turtle)


Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:22:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [xmca] "Uncovering Vygotsky's Archives" - Congratulations Anton and Ekaterina.
From: lchcmike@gmail.com
To: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
CC: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu

It seems that there is more than one thing in deep disagreement, Achilles. See recent messages by David kel
and Peter s.
mike


On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:


Certainly, Mike.  


But I guess these works will not deny the most informative ones... spite the archives was not there for everyone, for a long time. Of course "A way to freedom" is just a social-developmental way in the genesis of consciousness and personality, as well... There is something in deep disagreement?



Best wishes.




> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:38:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [xmca] "Uncovering Vygotsky's Archives" - Congratulations Anton and Ekaterina.
> From: lchcmike@gmail.com

> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> CC: anton.yasnitsky@gmail.com 



> 
> Yes. To me the extensive materials on Vygotsky's focus on the nature of
> consciousness as THE object of psychology were the most informative, but
> lots there for everyone.

> mike
> 
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >

> > Congratulations, Anton and Ekaterina.
> > Thank you, so much for this wonderful international contribution.
> > Achilles.
> >
> > ============================================================="Journal of

> > Russian and East European Psychology"
> > (January-February 2010, Vol. 48 No. 01)
> >
> > Uncovering Vygotsky's Archives
> > Guest Editor: Anton Yasnitsky
> >

> > Guest Editor's Introduction
> > "Archival Revolution" in Vygotskian Studies? Uncovering Vygotsky's Archives
> > Anton Yasnitsky
> >
> > The Vygotsky Family Archive (1912-1930)

> > New Findings
> > E.Iu. Zavershneva
> >
> > The Vygotsky Family Archive: New Findings
> > Notebooks, Notes, and Scientific Journals of L.S. Vygotsky (1931-1934)
> > E.Iu. Zavershneva

> >
> > "The Way to Freedom"
> > (On the Publication of Documents from the Family Archive of Lev Vygotsky)
> > E.Iu. Zavershneva
> >
> > Two Fragments of Personal Notes by L.S. Vygotsky from the Vygotsky Family

> > Archive
> > (Prepared for Publication and with Comments by E. Zavershneva)
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