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Re: [xmca] Institutions and concepts
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- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:27:34 -0700
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I want to take up your invitation and ask some questions about your key term "institution".
What is its unit?
Institutions are historically constituted and have implicit rules that constrain but also CONSTITUTE interactional patterns of activity. This unit implies it is ontologically prior to the person so has social realism. Persons exist within institutional structures that are formative for human morality and self-reflection. Institutions can be studied structurally, functionally, and historically (developmentally). A more coherent narrative to understand institutions as units of analysis would be to construct all 3 narratives- structural, functional, and historical as 3 versions of the unit.
Is it alive or dead?
Andy, this is where I get confused. Your definition of institution as I read it implies it is DEAD. I assume institutions are alive and embody the structure side of the structure/process tension. I'm making an assumption that institutions are constantly evolving in historical development. If structure becomes rigid then development is affected but also institutions are NECESSARY to give coherence to forms of sociality. For me the question is how to keep institutions alive and dynamic but this is a moral question of how we OUGHT to proceed.(my AS-IF realm) However, institutions as a unit of analysis are alive. From this perspective my self-reflection is to ask How do I proceed within an institutional structure to keep it dynamic and alive? This is where I believe the concept of self/other (ego-alter) and the emphasis on "recognition" may give some guidance to keep communication open.
How does it motivate action?
This is a moral question. Since I'm assuming that humans cannot exist outside of institutional structures then I believe that ideally communication, and collaboration are the processes that may bring in novelty and vitality to institutions. I believe that issues of recognition are fundamental but so are shared assumptions and "common sense" (whether in marriage, schools, or politics) Taylor's social imaginaries or Moscovici's social representations point out that there can be multiple competing narrative frames within the same institution and that is why institutions are such places of conflict and strife.However, I don't see each individual occupying there own relative social construction. I'm assuming that there are a limited number of shared social representations (common senses) that are contested and people have allegience to to one or a few of these shared social representations and are critical of other shared social representations. Each of these shared social imaginaries has its own unique historical development and different actors in the institution have allegience to various shared social representations. However, I do assume that in modernity there is a central allegience of actors following the moral imperative of valuing the individual as ontological.as a common sense implicit shared assumption. Rules sustain the structure of the institution but are implicit. What is not recognized is that institutions contain competing moral imperatives that are contested ground.
The only way through this tension, if the institution is going to continue to develop is through communication and social recognition.
How is it composed/constituted?
This is where CHAT perspectives on institutions are valid and coherent. Institutions are material and ideal. They are culturally, socially, historically evolving structures where the persons who participate in these institutions are both constrained and also become agentic. Communication is the process of institutions continuing historical development. Communication is not just linquistic but also implicit and e-motion is an aspect of all communications.
Andy, I'm assuming institutions are central and fundamental to being human as the ways we structure and pattern our interactions. They are always moral and express how we ought to interact. However they are always contested and in this century institutions are struggling with the modern and post-modern themes of social recognition. Modernity had a shared common sense notion that the individual had ontological existence and institutions were structured with this shared assumption. And the rules were structured to perpetuate this taken for granted notion. However, there has been an historical turn and these shared assumptions are now contested and new forms of institutional structure will hopefully evolve to reflect these new dialogical assumptions.
Andy, I'm wondering if you assume current institutions are too rigid to evolve (are dead)and therefore new institutional forms must be constituted whereas I may have more faith that current institutional structures are more alive and through moral struggle and dialogical communication, can evolve.
The question is really my thinking out loud in order to find my moral and ethical compass as I continue to work in an institutional structure that is very rigid but in which I hope I can have INFLUENCE and maybe introduce an alternative narrative that may in the future become the new common sense.
I've responded to your question
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Blunden <email@example.com>
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [xmca] Institutions and concepts
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Overnight I have added and amended it a little. I will dress
> it up a bit and post it for Bruce to put on the "Papers"
> page, for comparison if you like.
> We should ask of any concept of social subject-object:
> 1. What is its unit?
> 2. Is it dead or alive?
> 3. How does it motivate actions?
> 4. How is it composed? (texts/artefacts, actions, people,
> Nature, metaphysical entities, etc).
> Larry, yes I think it is fair to say that each approach
> makes a conception of something which exists in let us say,
> the public sphere, something everyone knows, and casts it
> into a cerain theoretical frame. Each frame provides and
> excludes certain insights. Nice to be able to move from one
> approach to another safely and knowingly.
> I like "project" because it gives me Activity Theory access
> to the entire body of Hegel's immensely rich insights (such
> as concepts), it avoids AN Leontyev's objectivism and
> functionalism, it is alive, and unlike "Figured World,"
> "Genre" and "Field" it conveys the idea of joint activity,
> rather than emphasising individual competition. "Social
> movement" is good, but implies too restricted a scope of
> I think "institution" conveys the idea of a project which
> has become solidified or dead, and more or less corresponds
> to the common meaning given to the word without specialized
> mike cole wrote:
> > Andy-- It would be interesting to array your list along side
> of the
> > historical genealogy that has grown from Arne Raithel's early
> genealology of
> > chat.
> > mike
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Larry Purss
> <email@example.com> wrote:
> >> Andy
> >> I find this list fascinating and intriguing.
> >> Each term has different conceptual frames but all are trying
> to map similar
> >> terrain.
> >> Why are you recommending "projects" and "institutions" as
> more coherent
> >> terms than some of the other discourse terms?
> >> My reason for liking your term "institutions" is very
> particular to my
> >> working in schools as the world arena where intersubjective
> constitution is
> >> developing.
> >> Since everyone recognizes schools as institutional structures
> which "frame"
> >> (A term I particulary like and use all the time with
> students) particular
> >> patterns of interaction, then elaborating the notion of
> "institution" has a
> >> good chance to be easily transferable to the "educational"
> discourse>> "genres" (Another term I like)
> >> Martin,
> >> I recognize your "project" which emphasize HISTORICAL
> DEVELOPMENT of ideas
> >> and frames and genres as very helpful to how we map the
> terrain. For example
> >> the article you posted on Kant highlights the 1920's as a
> particular>> historical moment in Germany which created new
> "frames" and "projects" which
> >> have supported further institutional developments.
> Martin, as you point out
> >> we are still currently engaged in "reading" these "texts"
> both as
> >> "historical" documents BUT also our current discourse is
> still articulating
> >> responses to Kant and Hegel, but without our
> understanding the historical
> >> roots of our discourse.
> >> Your elaboration of the epistemology/ontology tension and the
> historical>> location of this tension in 1920's Germany is a
> fascinating "narrative."
> >> Andy,
> >> Once again, thanks for this psychological tool. I'm thinking
> of framing it
> >> and putting it next to my computer as I think out loud. (Mead's
> >> conversational gesture)
> >> Larry
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Tony Whitson <twhitson@UDel.Edu>
> >> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:50 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Institutions and concepts
> >> To: firstname.lastname@example.org, "eXtended Mind, Culture,
> Activity" <
> >> email@example.com>
> >>> Thanks, Andy; this is extremely useful.
> >>> I would add this:
> >>> Stephen Toulmin: Concepts as micro-institutions (according
> to my
> >>> memory,
> >>> which is less reliable at this hour)
> >>> I have something on this in my chapter in the Kirshner & Whitson
> >>> (eds)
> >>> book on Situated Cognition. See
> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Situated-Cognition-Semiotic-
> >>> Perspectives/dp/0805820388/
> >>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >>>> mike cole wrote:
> >>>>> Perhaps I am agreeing with Andy about the linkages between
> >>> institutions
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> concepts, which is also a linkage between activities and
> concepts.>>>> Mike, I would like to mention the following semantic
> >>> connections which I
> >>>> think CHAT needs to pay attention to if we are to talk to the
> >>> numerous other
> >>>> currents who share our domain of enquiry.
> >>>> Institution = Discourse (Foucault)
> >>>> = Practico-intert (Sartre)
> >>>> = Object (Hegel)
> >>>> = Activity (ANL, def. by object)
> >>>> = Genre (Bakhtin)
> >>>> = Frame (Goffman)
> >>>> = Tradition (Gadamer)
> >>>> = Figured world (D Holland)
> >>>> = Activity System (Engestrom?)
> >>>> = Social formation (Marx)
> >>>> = Field (Bourdieu)
> >>>> which is a dead or solidified ...?
> >>>> Project for Schmit
> >>>> for Hegelians like Pinkard and Andy
> >>>> for Existentialists (Sartre, Heidegger?)
> >>>> Gestalt des consciousness for Hegel
> >>>> momentary = context
> >>>> = situation
> >>>> Projects & Institutions have as Units ... ?
> >>>> = Concept
> >>>> = Action (ANL)
> >>>> = Text?
> >>>> obviously none of the = are really =, because they involve
> >>> different
> >>>> conceptual frames. Which is my point, I guess.
> >>>> Andy
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