As i hinted in my earlier note, Andy, I thought people would find it both
interesting and find things to disagree with. The person who most
surprised me was Tim Ingold whose work I greatly admire. While he went
after, for example, the "social vs ecological" dualism, he did not use
the term, culture, once in his talk. Very surprising.
mike
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
I wonder if you could offer any hints, Mike. I started listening to
one of the brain-freaks, and to be honest I got bored. Though the
production values were good. There is so much of this idiocy around.
Is there some good people there (apart from good ol' Steven Rose)?
I recently reviewed a collection of articles around this area
("Psychology's Territories") for "Theory & Psychology," covering
"both sides" of the debate, which had some interesting takes on the
question, some great stuff from historians of science. But in
reading one of the "ruthless reductionists" (Wolfgang Prinz), I
realized that Vygotsky offered us what I think is a good angle for
making some kind of a bridge to these people that think that
consciousness is an illusion. I think we should agree with them. But
we should say,
"Yes, it's an illusion but one which nonetheless allows us to
survive and prosper (they'll agree with that) and it's an illusion
which can be studied scientifically (perking up their interest). My
consciousness is an illusion (well, an appearance really, because it
is not mistaken), but for me, *your* consciousness is real
(surprise, interest), and by observing your behaviour I can even
tell what's in it. But I seriously doubt that you will ever figure
out what's in it by looking at physiology. If it's an illusion, what
do you expect to find in brain tissue?"
What do you think?
Andy
mike cole wrote:
Thanks Andy-- Politzer is a very interesting figure in the
Vygotskiana world.
If you have not done so, i really recommend the talks at the
Danish Conf
on meaning beyond the brain both for a lot you can agree with
and news from interesting folks you have probably not
encountered that you might or might agree with. Interesting in
all events.
http://www.dpu.dk/site.aspx?p=14668
mike
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
<mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:
A FaceBook friend recently drew my attention to this fascinating
commentary on Descartes by the early Marxist Psychologist, George
Politzer:
http://marx.org/archive/politzer/works/1937/descartes-tricentennial.htm
Andy
Martin Packer wrote:
Can you give some textual evidence for this statement,
Michael?
Martin
On Feb 26, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Michael Glassman wrote:
Martin, David, Jorge, all
.But
these organizational structures are definitely inside
of the
head for
Vygotsky so there really is no way for him to escape
dualism.
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