----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Vadeboncoeur" <vadebonc@interchange.ubc.ca>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology Mabel and Martin, A colleague and I are finishing up a paper looking at SEL programs and we've also used Martin's (2001) piece, The problem of transfer, and the sociocultural critique of schooling in the Journal of the Learning Sciences to think through ontology, the production of positions for identities, and the role of schooling in the process of "producing" certain kinds of "outcomes" for children and youth. The "purpose of schooling" is a central issue to (all of) our work, and one that surfaced at AERA several years ago as well. Nel Noddings work may help in a tangential way, because she is concerned as well with creating a school context that addresses the whole person-a person with cognitive, affective, social abilities and relationships. She has challenged folks like Cohen of the Center for Social and Emotional Education, recently, to think through changes in school climate on a broader and more relational level. Best - jennifer
Mabel,Yes, this is where LSV insists on the importance of not confusing epistemological issues with ontological ones. It's one of the more puzzling passages in Crisis, and I suspect there are some problems with the translation. (Is the indented passage a quotation from Hoffding? Does anyone have that text?) Nothing here about methodological dualism, however. I don't think this passage is the place to start to understand better the distinction between epistemology and ontology, if that is what you want to do.MartinYou might consider taking a look here (if so tell me whether or not it helps):Packer, M. J., & Goicoechea, J. (2000). Sociocultural and constructivist theories of learning: Ontology, not just epistemology. Educational Psychologist, 35(4), 227-241.On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote:Martin,Here it is (Andy sent it to me, I have it in hardcopy Vol 3 of Vygotsky's Collected Works, p. 310): http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367MabelSubject: Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology From: packer@duq.edu Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:42:06 -0500 To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu Mabel,I confess I don't recognize the term methodological dualism. Where are you finding this?Martin On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote:My question to Andy was if he could please give me some references about the difference-relation between ontological and methodological dualism? I was aimed to get some contemporary references to this discussion. I already had read Vygotsky. Does anyone has a suggestion, please?Thank you, MabelDate: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:56:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [xmca] Hello Other Brain, how are you? From: lchcmike@gmail.com To: xmca@weber.ucsd.eduThere was a discussion of this topic around your MCA article a while back, Michael. Mabel might be able to use some of the specific techniques, which, I recall, were not too demading in terms of technology, to find a bridge towhat her advisors expect.Martin's sources are right on. But Mabel is going to have to negotiate therockyshoals of her own institutional situation, and invoking XMCA is not likelyto win her a lot of friends!! mikeOn Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:In the following piece, we show how emotion (as evidenced in prosody) is aresource for the coordination of social action. Michael>>>>>Cult Stud of Sci Educ DOI 10.1007/s11422-009-9203-8 Solidarity and conflict: aligned and misaligned prosody as a transactional resource in intra- and intercultural communication involving power differences Wolff-Michael Roth Æ Kenneth Tobin here On 2009-11-14, at 6:55 AM, Martin Packer wrote:>>>>>I'm going to ignore Andy's request to ignore his message to Mabel, because I'm sure Mabel is not the only person being told this sort of thing. The claim, I suppose, is that emotion is a subjective experience, and therefore something mental, internal, personal, private and so inaccessible to other people, including the researcher, who has access only to the external'expression' of that emotion, on the face, in movements, etc.Nonsense. How to argue against that view? Take a look at Joe de Rivera's work on emotions as interpersonal movements, towards or away from people on three interpersonal dimensions of intimacy, openness, and status. Read Hall and Cobey (1976) on emotion as transformation of the world. Read Mead's Mind, Self and Society where he challenges Darwin, insisting that "we cannot approach them [emotions] from the point of view of expressing a content in the mind of the individual" (p. 17) because to do so presumes adualism between consciousness and the biological organism.These are some resources that come immediately to my mind. What can othersout there recommend? Martin On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Andy Blunden wrote: You have good muses Mabel (Vygotsky and Marx), pity youdon't have better supervisors. Your approach, studying microsituations as social, is Vygotsky's approach too, I think, and excellent one, that is often, I fear, not well understood. I am probably the last person to ask about that kind of problem as I have a devil of a problem making myself understood. Others will know the answers to your questions better than me, too. But I will mention a few suggestions. Mabel Encinas wrote:My supervisors are questioning now, that I do not study emotions, but "the expression of emotions". I know how to solidify my argument in this bit, but could you please give me some references of where should I read about the difference-relation between ontological and methodologicaldualism?I guess you have already read Vygotsky's comments on ontological vs methodological/epistemological dualism: http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367 If you use Google on this one, you will probably find a page where I am being attacked by someone called Neville for failing to make this distinction. I am far from sure of the value of that exchange but you are welcome to read it. I would not attempt a short summary of this issue. I am not sure what you are being accused of about emotions. Martha Nussbaum is a Critical Theorist who writes good stuff about emotions. And of course everyone reads Antonio Damassio, with his distinction between feelings and emotions. Certainly, emotions are only present in consciousness thanks to their "interpretation" by culturally acquired concepts. ""the expression of emotions" is a strange expression to me. Are they using "emotions" to refer to forms of consciousness which are "expressed" in high blood pressure, etc? Or are they using "emotions" to refer to physiological conditions, which are "expressed" in the character of behavior. I don't understand. I am sure others will know. Sounds like a template accusation. 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