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RE: [xmca] Emotions and methodology
Martin,
Here it is (Andy sent it to me, I have it in hardcopy Vol 3 of Vygotsky's Collected Works, p. 310): http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367
Mabel
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology
> From: packer@duq.edu
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:42:06 -0500
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>
> Mabel,
>
> I confess I don't recognize the term methodological dualism. Where are you finding this?
>
> Martin
>
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote:
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> >
> > My question to Andy was if he could please give me some references about the difference-relation between ontological and methodological dualism? I was aimed to get some contemporary references to this discussion. I already had read Vygotsky. Does anyone has a suggestion, please?
> >
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> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mabel
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> >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:56:07 -0800
> >> Subject: Re: [xmca] Hello Other Brain, how are you?
> >> From: lchcmike@gmail.com
> >> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>
> >> There was a discussion of this topic around your MCA article a while back,
> >> Michael. Mabel might be able to use some of the specific techniques, which,
> >> I recall, were not too demading in terms of technology, to find a bridge to
> >> what her advisors expect.
> >>
> >> Martin's sources are right on. But Mabel is going to have to negotiate the
> >> rocky
> >> shoals of her own institutional situation, and invoking XMCA is not likely
> >> to win her a lot of friends!!
> >>
> >> mike
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In the following piece, we show how emotion (as evidenced in prosody) is a
> >>> resource for the coordination of social action. Michael
> >>>
> >>> Cult Stud of Sci Educ
> >>> DOI 10.1007/s11422-009-9203-8
> >>> Solidarity and conflict: aligned and misaligned prosody
> >>> as a transactional resource in intra- and intercultural
> >>> communication involving power differences
> >>> Wolff-Michael Roth Æ Kenneth Tobin
> >>>
> >>> here
> >>>
> >>> On 2009-11-14, at 6:55 AM, Martin Packer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm going to ignore Andy's request to ignore his message to Mabel, because
> >>> I'm sure Mabel is not the only person being told this sort of thing. The
> >>> claim, I suppose, is that emotion is a subjective experience, and therefore
> >>> something mental, internal, personal, private and so inaccessible to other
> >>> people, including the researcher, who has access only to the external
> >>> 'expression' of that emotion, on the face, in movements, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Nonsense. How to argue against that view? Take a look at Joe de Rivera's
> >>> work on emotions as interpersonal movements, towards or away from people on
> >>> three interpersonal dimensions of intimacy, openness, and status. Read Hall
> >>> and Cobey (1976) on emotion as transformation of the world. Read Mead's
> >>> Mind, Self and Society where he challenges Darwin, insisting that "we
> >>> cannot approach them [emotions] from the point of view of expressing a
> >>> content in the mind of the individual" (p. 17) because to do so presumes a
> >>> dualism between consciousness and the biological organism.
> >>>
> >>> These are some resources that come immediately to my mind. What can others
> >>> out there recommend?
> >>>
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You have good muses Mabel (Vygotsky and Marx), pity you
> >>>> don't have better supervisors. Your approach, studying
> >>>> microsituations as social, is Vygotsky's approach too, I
> >>>> think, and excellent one, that is often, I fear, not well
> >>>> understood. I am probably the last person to ask about that
> >>>> kind of problem as I have a devil of a problem making myself
> >>>> understood. Others will know the answers to your questions
> >>>> better than me, too. But I will mention a few suggestions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mabel Encinas wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> My supervisors are questioning now, that I do not study emotions, but
> >>>>> "the expression of emotions". I know how to solidify my argument in this
> >>>>> bit, but could you please give me some references of where should I read
> >>>>> about the difference-relation between ontological and methodological
> >>>>> dualism?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess you have already read Vygotsky's comments on
> >>>> ontological vs methodological/epistemological dualism:
> >>>> http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367
> >>>>
> >>>> If you use Google on this one, you will probably find a page
> >>>> where I am being attacked by someone called Neville for
> >>>> failing to make this distinction. I am far from sure of the
> >>>> value of that exchange but you are welcome to read it. I
> >>>> would not attempt a short summary of this issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure what you are being accused of about emotions.
> >>>> Martha Nussbaum is a Critical Theorist who writes good stuff
> >>>> about emotions. And of course everyone reads Antonio
> >>>> Damassio, with his distinction between feelings and
> >>>> emotions. Certainly, emotions are only present in
> >>>> consciousness thanks to their "interpretation" by culturally
> >>>> acquired concepts.
> >>>>
> >>>> ""the expression of emotions" is a strange expression to me.
> >>>> Are they using "emotions" to refer to forms of consciousness
> >>>> which are "expressed" in high blood pressure, etc? Or are
> >>>> they using "emotions" to refer to physiological conditions,
> >>>> which are "expressed" in the character of behavior. I don't
> >>>> understand. I am sure others will know. Sounds like a
> >>>> template accusation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy
> >>>>
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