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Re: [xmca] Emotions and methodology
Mabel,
I confess I don't recognize the term methodological dualism. Where are you finding this?
Martin
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Mabel Encinas wrote:
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>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:56:07 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Hello Other Brain, how are you?
>> From: lchcmike@gmail.com
>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
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>> There was a discussion of this topic around your MCA article a while back,
>> Michael. Mabel might be able to use some of the specific techniques, which,
>> I recall, were not too demading in terms of technology, to find a bridge to
>> what her advisors expect.
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>> Martin's sources are right on. But Mabel is going to have to negotiate the
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>> shoals of her own institutional situation, and invoking XMCA is not likely
>> to win her a lot of friends!!
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>> mike
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>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:
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>>> In the following piece, we show how emotion (as evidenced in prosody) is a
>>> resource for the coordination of social action. Michael
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>>> Cult Stud of Sci Educ
>>> DOI 10.1007/s11422-009-9203-8
>>> Solidarity and conflict: aligned and misaligned prosody
>>> as a transactional resource in intra- and intercultural
>>> communication involving power differences
>>> Wolff-Michael Roth Æ Kenneth Tobin
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>>> here
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>>> On 2009-11-14, at 6:55 AM, Martin Packer wrote:
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>>> I'm going to ignore Andy's request to ignore his message to Mabel, because
>>> I'm sure Mabel is not the only person being told this sort of thing. The
>>> claim, I suppose, is that emotion is a subjective experience, and therefore
>>> something mental, internal, personal, private and so inaccessible to other
>>> people, including the researcher, who has access only to the external
>>> 'expression' of that emotion, on the face, in movements, etc.
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>>> Nonsense. How to argue against that view? Take a look at Joe de Rivera's
>>> work on emotions as interpersonal movements, towards or away from people on
>>> three interpersonal dimensions of intimacy, openness, and status. Read Hall
>>> and Cobey (1976) on emotion as transformation of the world. Read Mead's
>>> Mind, Self and Society where he challenges Darwin, insisting that "we
>>> cannot approach them [emotions] from the point of view of expressing a
>>> content in the mind of the individual" (p. 17) because to do so presumes a
>>> dualism between consciousness and the biological organism.
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>>> These are some resources that come immediately to my mind. What can others
>>> out there recommend?
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>>> Martin
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>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Andy Blunden wrote:
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>>> You have good muses Mabel (Vygotsky and Marx), pity you
>>>> don't have better supervisors. Your approach, studying
>>>> microsituations as social, is Vygotsky's approach too, I
>>>> think, and excellent one, that is often, I fear, not well
>>>> understood. I am probably the last person to ask about that
>>>> kind of problem as I have a devil of a problem making myself
>>>> understood. Others will know the answers to your questions
>>>> better than me, too. But I will mention a few suggestions.
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>>>> Mabel Encinas wrote:
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>>>>> My supervisors are questioning now, that I do not study emotions, but
>>>>> "the expression of emotions". I know how to solidify my argument in this
>>>>> bit, but could you please give me some references of where should I read
>>>>> about the difference-relation between ontological and methodological
>>>>> dualism?
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>>>> I guess you have already read Vygotsky's comments on
>>>> ontological vs methodological/epistemological dualism:
>>>> http://marx.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri13.htm#p1367
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>>>> If you use Google on this one, you will probably find a page
>>>> where I am being attacked by someone called Neville for
>>>> failing to make this distinction. I am far from sure of the
>>>> value of that exchange but you are welcome to read it. I
>>>> would not attempt a short summary of this issue.
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>>>> I am not sure what you are being accused of about emotions.
>>>> Martha Nussbaum is a Critical Theorist who writes good stuff
>>>> about emotions. And of course everyone reads Antonio
>>>> Damassio, with his distinction between feelings and
>>>> emotions. Certainly, emotions are only present in
>>>> consciousness thanks to their "interpretation" by culturally
>>>> acquired concepts.
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>>>> ""the expression of emotions" is a strange expression to me.
>>>> Are they using "emotions" to refer to forms of consciousness
>>>> which are "expressed" in high blood pressure, etc? Or are
>>>> they using "emotions" to refer to physiological conditions,
>>>> which are "expressed" in the character of behavior. I don't
>>>> understand. I am sure others will know. Sounds like a
>>>> template accusation.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
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