Thank you Tony, for both contributions, the reference, and reflection
about semiotics in Leontiev and Peirce. Very interesting and
challenging.
Best wishes.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:32:54 -0400
From: twhitson@UDel.Edu
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
CC: achilles_delari@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign
The questions L is asking make me think of the linguistic
anthropologist
Michael Silverstein. (Anybody here have views of his work?) A
relevant
collection, including some Silverstein, but also Wertsch, Holzman,
and
others is SOCIAL AND FUNCTIONAL APROACHES TO LANGUAGE AND THOUGHT,
edited
by Maya Hickmann, Academic Press 1987. There's only one Leontyev
ref in
the index, which is in a string of citations incl. Vygotsky, Luria,
Leontyev, Scribner & Cole, LCHC 1981, and Wertsch. That appears in a
chapter by Elinor Ochs, with whom, if I'm not mistaken, David
Kirshner
has
had some acquaintance.
L's conjecture (below) seems harmonious with Peirce, it seems to me,
except that Peirce would start not with perception, but with
"feeling,"
which we can't really know directly because it is eclipsed by any
thinking
about it. But Peirce was very much concerned with how more
advanced signs
spring from and depend on such things as feeling and perception.
Again,
though, the caution that he wrote as a logician, not as a
psychologist or
linguist.
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Achilles Delari Junior wrote:
Hi, XMCA.
In his letter to Vigotski, A. N. Leontiev wrote about a number of
theoretical
that he understood "fundamental". The fifth one touch the problem
of
"sign".
He said, for instance that "my intuition here is that the sign is
the
key!"
I think that is very important to recognize that Vygotsky's
theory is
also
an activity theory, but is there some study that searchs Leontiev's
contributions
to "semiotic mediation" theory?
"5. In addition to these it is essential to work out theoretical
questions,
directly guiding specific research.
It seems to me that among them belong: (a) The problem of
F[unctional]
S[ystems]: “possible” (i.e., something like quantum)
I[nter]f[unctional]
relations and “possible” functions of functions (after all a
system is
not a
spring salad, but something presupposing only the possible, i.e.,
certain
combinations); (b) Determination of i[nter]f[unctional] relations
(the
conditions
under which they arise, the process of their birth, factors (=
determinants);
here an experiment in their artificial formation is necessary,
that is, a “dynamic argument” is needed, an experiment along the
lines
of
“ingrowth”). Here, it is necessary to think through the place,
the role
of
the sign; my belief, or more precisely, my intuition here is that
the
sign
is the key! Roughly speaking, the first operations with quantities
involve
perception, further, the f[unctional] s[ystem] of perception, an
intell[ectual] operation. What has transformed the perc[eption] of
quantities—
this simple operation, into a higher intell[ectual] function? The
inclusion of a unique sign—the concept of numbers, that is, the
sign, a
medium of intell[ect] (thought!). If this concept is real, then
perception,
operations with quantities using it specifically, is also
included in a
syst[em] of conceptual thought. This is all very crude and the
example
has not turned out successfully (it seems—there is no time to
think!);
(c) The problem “intellect–will,” that is, the problem (figuring
out
the
problem!) of intention (this is already a given!); and (d)
personality
as a
syst[em] expressed in concr[ete] problems, that is, how it is
formulated."
(LEONTIEV, 2005, pp. 74-75)
Journal of Russian and East European Psychology, vol. 43, no. 3,
May–June 2005, pp. 70–77.
© 2005 M.E. Sharpe, Inc.
Thank you.
Achilles
From Brazil.
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