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Thank you Tony, for both contributions, the reference, and reflection about semiotics in Leontiev and Peirce. Very interesting and challenging. Best wishes. > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:32:54 -0400 > From: twhitson@UDel.Edu > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > CC: achilles_delari@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign > > The questions L is asking make me think of the linguistic anthropologist > Michael Silverstein. (Anybody here have views of his work?) A relevant > collection, including some Silverstein, but also Wertsch, Holzman, and > others is SOCIAL AND FUNCTIONAL APROACHES TO LANGUAGE AND THOUGHT, edited > by Maya Hickmann, Academic Press 1987. There's only one Leontyev ref in > the index, which is in a string of citations incl. Vygotsky, Luria, > Leontyev, Scribner & Cole, LCHC 1981, and Wertsch. That appears in a > chapter by Elinor Ochs, with whom, if I'm not mistaken, David Kirshner has > had some acquaintance. > > L's conjecture (below) seems harmonious with Peirce, it seems to me, > except that Peirce would start not with perception, but with "feeling," > which we can't really know directly because it is eclipsed by any thinking > about it. But Peirce was very much concerned with how more advanced signs > spring from and depend on such things as feeling and perception. Again, > though, the caution that he wrote as a logician, not as a psychologist or > linguist. > > On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Achilles Delari Junior wrote: > > > > > Hi, XMCA. > > > > In his letter to Vigotski, A. N. Leontiev wrote about a number of theoretical > > that he understood "fundamental". The fifth one touch the problem of "sign". > > He said, for instance that "my intuition here is that the sign is the key!" > > I think that is very important to recognize that Vygotsky's theory is also > > an activity theory, but is there some study that searchs Leontiev's contributions > > to "semiotic mediation" theory? > > > > "5. In addition to these it is essential to work out theoretical questions, > > directly guiding specific research. > > It seems to me that among them belong: (a) The problem of F[unctional] > > S[ystems]: “possible” (i.e., something like quantum) I[nter]f[unctional] > > relations and “possible” functions of functions (after all a system is not a > > spring salad, but something presupposing only the possible, i.e., certain > > combinations); (b) Determination of i[nter]f[unctional] relations (the conditions > > under which they arise, the process of their birth, factors (= determinants); > > here an experiment in their artificial formation is necessary, > > that is, a “dynamic argument” is needed, an experiment along the lines of > > “ingrowth”). Here, it is necessary to think through the place, the role of > > the sign; my belief, or more precisely, my intuition here is that the sign > > is the key! Roughly speaking, the first operations with quantities involve > > perception, further, the f[unctional] s[ystem] of perception, an > > intell[ectual] operation. What has transformed the perc[eption] of quantities— > > this simple operation, into a higher intell[ectual] function? The > > inclusion of a unique sign—the concept of numbers, that is, the sign, a > > medium of intell[ect] (thought!). If this concept is real, then perception, > > operations with quantities using it specifically, is also included in a > > syst[em] of conceptual thought. This is all very crude and the example > > has not turned out successfully (it seems—there is no time to think!); > > (c) The problem “intellect–will,” that is, the problem (figuring out the > > problem!) of intention (this is already a given!); and (d) personality as a > > syst[em] expressed in concr[ete] problems, that is, how it is formulated." > > (LEONTIEV, 2005, pp. 74-75) > > > > Journal of Russian and East European Psychology, vol. 43, no. 3, > > May–June 2005, pp. 70–77. > > © 2005 M.E. Sharpe, Inc. > > > > > > Thank you. > > Achilles > >> From Brazil. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Acesse seu Hotmail de onde quer que esteja através do celular. 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